Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion.

[Quagz]

Originally Posted by saerael

could it be?!? are we about to witness the fabled shodai vs madara battle?!?!?!?? ever since they pulled out that EM sharingan i been wondering how the hell he lost to the 1st.

the first must have been a monster.

Next chapter will probably see the alliance between the two and the founding of konoha

also one question, the second was supposedly the firsts brother yet it seems like he had more water based jutsu (well the few we saw during the oro vs sarutobi fight). i wonder why , maybe it was a symmetry thing. I mean why would both use tree attacks i suppose


Also the Oro related to the first is absolutely ridiculous. I'll give a point, Oro summons the first and second now wouldn't sarutobi comment how how he desecrating his ancestors honor by doing this? The japanese have alot of respect for their ancestry and elders this would be mentioned. Oro would probably comment how he finally met his uncles or some crap in the cocky Oro way


THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED


The first is just drawn to look young, hell if anything he looks more like a hyuuga without the eyes

finally, WHERE THE HELL ARE THE HYUUGA!?

It seems like kishi completed forgot about an important clan in the scheme of things. It also seems that the evolution (mutation, whatever) from byakugan to sharingan took place long before uchiha madara. He was the leader of the uchiha not the founder.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

He could've at least stated WHY, he had the clan murdered.

Kishimoto is a sadist, he enjoys this kindve shit.

he knew perfectly well that golden week was next week, meaning we have to wait 2 weeks to find out why he ordered itachi to kill them.

What i want to know is, how could itachi just accept such an order?
Did he actually hate his clan? Or was he the type of shinobi that danzou trains, ones who accept the mission over freinds and family, and personal feelings are thrown out the window(accept maybe for his brother) if thats true, i still dont think of itachi as a Moral human being.

Now i want to know why itachi gained the MS in the first place, was it to try and keep madara in check?

[l0rdza0n]

the Hyuuga are OVERRATED by you fans

dude, in essence... the Byakugan?

IT FOR SCOUTING

nothing beats hyuuga's for scouting purposes.. das what they specialize in..

but the Uchihas and Senju are about control and power and are WARRIORS

the Hyuuga? boy scouts..

Uchihas and Senju.. WARRIOR CLANS... huge differences.. you fans of the byakugan overrate it.. they're freakin boy scouts

[Cane_The9lives]

Thats another thing that still bothers me, where the hell are the hyugas?

[Quagz]

Originally Posted by l0rdza0n

the Hyuuga are OVERRATED by you fans

dude, in essence... the Byakugan?

IT FOR SCOUTING

nothing beats hyuuga's for scouting purposes.. das what they specialize in..

but the Uchihas and Senju are about control and power and are WARRIORS

the Hyuuga? boy scouts..

Uchihas and Senju.. WARRIOR CLANS... huge differences.. you fans of the byakugan overrate it.. they're freakin boy scouts

Sure

very overrated, a clan that can kill you with a slight touch to the heart

[l0rdza0n]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Kishimoto is a sadist, he enjoys this kindve shit.

he knew perfectly well that golden week was next week, meaning we have to wait 2 weeks to find out why he ordered itachi to kill them.

What i want to know is, how could itachi just accept such an order?
Did he actually hate his clan? Or was he the type of shinobi that danzou trains, ones who accept the mission over freinds and family, and personal feelings are thrown out the window(accept maybe for his brother) if thats true, i still dont think of itachi as a Moral human being.

Now i want to know why itachi gained the MS in the first place, was it to try and keep madara in check?

Kishi is definitely a sadist.. he knows his fanbase is hooked and is loving making us suffer! ... it's a love-hate thing, damn it kish!

and i don't know what "Golden week" is but if we have to wait another 2 weeks for the next chapter... someone in japan go bop kish on the head

seriously, do it for me, just bop him grr argh

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Thats another thing that still bothers me, where the hell are the hyugas?

prolly thumbing their noses at the rest of the shinobi clans the hyuuga's after all are a clan whose hubris is unequalled

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Kishimoto is a sadist, he enjoys this kindve shit.

he knew perfectly well that golden week was next week, meaning we have to wait 2 weeks to find out why he ordered itachi to kill them.

What i want to know is, how could itachi just accept such an order?
Did he actually hate his clan? Or was he the type of shinobi that danzou trains, ones who accept the mission over freinds and family, and personal feelings are thrown out the window(accept maybe for his brother) if thats true, i still dont think of itachi as a Moral human being.

Now i want to know why itachi gained the MS in the first place, was it to try and keep madara in check?

It says that Itachi was thrust into the path he walks now.
I know there's going to be some type of explanation as to why he recieved MS that will show him in a good light.

Like Madara promised Shisui power, and he had to kill Shisui in self defense. Madara forced his hand maybe?

Are their conflicting theories between what Madara, and Itachi said?

Cuz Madara said he used his powers time and again to defeat the Senju Clan.

Itachi said they willingly joined forces.

I don't see how you can fight someone time and again when their your allies.

Anyone think Itachi's story is wong?

[kolod]

wow all of a sudden we're learning the real names of all the hokage. up until now it was just shodai hokage, nidaime hokage, sandaime hokage, yondaime hokage, and tsunade, the godaime hokage. now we see they're really known as senju hashirama, senju something (whatever the nidaime hokage's first name was), sarutobi something (still don't know his first name), namikaze minato, and now apparently senju tsunade. i love this cuz it helps show the hokage as regular shinobi as well as great leaders.

[l0rdza0n]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Are their conflicting theories between what Madara, and Itachi said?

Cuz Madara said he used his powers time and again to defeat the Senju Clan.

I don't see how you can fight someone time and again when their your allies

you're kinda missing the story..

Madara and the Uchihas were one of the most feared assassin-warrior clans around.. they beat everyone..

only one other clan even achieved such notoriety... the Senju

now whenever these two clans clashed... Uchihas would win because of Madara's EMS and unrivalled strength.. it got to the point where he forced the hand of the top-dog for the Senju.. the one shinobi feared above all.. he who stood atop the shinobi world

Shodai and that's how it began.. when they fought each other.. they recognized each others' raw power and a mutual respect developed upon which the foundation of Konoha was built

Shodai and Madara.. the top dogs of their respective clans

Good Friends.. Better Enemies

[Ycagel]

Originally Posted by l0rdza0n

the Hyuuga are OVERRATED by you fans

dude, in essence... the Byakugan?

IT FOR SCOUTING

nothing beats hyuuga's for scouting purposes.. das what they specialize in..

but the Uchihas and Senju are about control and power and are WARRIORS

the Hyuuga? boy scouts..

Uchihas and Senju.. WARRIOR CLANS... huge differences.. you fans of the byakugan overrate it.. they're freakin boy scouts

Naruto 78 page 04 | One Manga

They're the greatest clan they have...with one of the greatest bloodlines and the strongest Taijutsu style in all of Konoha. I wouldn't call them that. Them getting the same treatment as the Nidaime is just sad. Well, it's sadder that the Nidaime, the man who created the ninja academy and most of the stuff in Konoha according to the Data Books, is never mentioned anymore...

Anyway, I'm surprised that Kishi actually made 19 pages this time. He usually does 16-17. He better keep it up cuz the Shodai deserves 19 pages...!!

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Are their conflicting theories between what Madara, and Itachi said?

Cuz Madara said he used his powers time and again to defeat the Senju Clan.

No he said he used his powers time and time again to fight the senju clan. He never said "Defeat"

Originally Posted by uchihaeyez

Itachi said they willingly joined forces.

Before they joined forces, they were probably common enemies.



And that link someone posted just furthers the hyuga contradiction.
According to kakashi, the hyuga clan is the oldest clan in konoha.......yet they are nowhere to be found.

Unless the hyugas are some crazy paranoid isolationists who dont sell their services like all the other shinobi clans, this is one huge contradiction.

[bRaSuKa]

Tobi isn't Danzou.
He isn't Obito either since they showed him in his past and since Obito wasn't that age when Tobi fought the First Hokage.
Other then that, this chapter was wonderful

[konohaavid]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Kishimoto is a sadist, he enjoys this kindve shit.

he knew perfectly well that golden week was next week, meaning we have to wait 2 weeks to find out why he ordered itachi to kill them.

What i want to know is, how could itachi just accept such an order?
Did he actually hate his clan? Or was he the type of shinobi that danzou trains, ones who accept the mission over freinds and family, and personal feelings are thrown out the window(accept maybe for his brother) if thats true, i still dont think of itachi as a Moral human being.

Now i want to know why itachi gained the MS in the first place, was it to try and keep madara in check?

I'm pretty sure he accepted because the Uchiha were becoming monsters. Something to that affect. Overall though, I'm just happy that Itachi did what he did for the good of is brother.

[MasterTragedy]

Sigh not surprised. Ok Nasman, I ask you, why, if he was a descendant of the 1st (meaning he'd carry his genes just like Tsunade) Why would he then bother to try to bring back the 1st's special mukoton ability through inserting the 1sts Dna into random babies, when he could simply experiment with his own, considering he would have the 1sts genes in him if they were related. He could merely messed with his own DNA until he got it to manifest and bam. Remember this is a good time in the past when he would still be in Konoha (if I remember he hasn't even started his body snatching technique yet). If he carried the firsts gene there's no reason to create Yamato.

[_Metsuke_]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

What i want to know is, how could itachi just accept such an order?

What do you want to bet it was under duress. I bet Madara threatened to kill them all. Either Madadra killed them all, every single one of them...

...including Sasuke...

Or Itachi kill them all but one. And so the only reason Itachi killed the Uchiha was, as we've now heard from Tobi on a number of occasions...

... to protect Sasuke.

[MuKen]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

And that link someone posted just furthers the hyuga contradiction.
According to kakashi, the hyuga clan is the oldest clan in konoha.......yet they are nowhere to be found.

I don't think it's a contradiction, "oldest clan in konoha" doesn't mean they were in konoha the longest. That's pretty meaningless since Konoha is apparently less than a century old. It just means of all the clans that joined Konoha, they are the oldest. They could've been around for hundreds of years before Konoha was formed.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by MuKen

I don't think it's a contradiction, "oldest clan in konoha" doesn't mean they were in konoha the longest. That's pretty meaningless since Konoha is apparently less than a century old. It just means of all the clans that joined Konoha, they are the oldest. They could've been around for hundreds of years before Konoha was formed.

It still doesnt account for the fact that the uchiha clan should technically be the oldest clan of konoha, from what kishimoto is giving me.

Since apparently that clan along with the senju clan helped form konoha.
A clan not even mentioned during konohas formation supposedly the oldest clan of that village?...and the uchihas... the ones mentioned as the co-founders arent? That does not compute.

It doesnt matter if they were around hundreds of years before konoha is formed.
Kakashi specifically said they were the oldest clan of the village, they had to of been there during the founding. Yet the only clans ive heard of as the founders of konoha are the uchihas and the senju's.

It's contradictory to the story until kishimoto can work the hyugas into it.

[dragonfrost]

uMMMMMMM yay there going to retell the story itachi just told .... and add a few more details how exciting ....... i cant wait till hell freezes over and the story gose back to naruto...




im really getting sick of eye jutsus..... and chapter were they just retelling inforation we already know. ..... I hate to be hating on this manga but it really is losing my one chapter at a time.

Why did tobi just take over the village when the first died... there obviously on one on his level right now.

[l0rdza0n]

Originally Posted by Ycagel

Naruto 78 page 04 | One Manga

They're the greatest clan they have...with one of the greatest bloodlines and the strongest Taijutsu style in all of Konoha. I wouldn't call them that. Them getting the same treatment as the Nidaime is just sad. Well, it's sadder that the Nidaime, the man who created the ninja academy and most of the stuff in Konoha according to the Data Books, is never mentioned anymore...

Anyway, I'm surprised that Kishi actually made 19 pages this time. He usually does 16-17. He better keep it up cuz the Shodai deserves 19 pages...!!

revisionist history perhaps..?

we know konoha harbors deep dark secrets.. SPECIFICALLY by its eldest advisors/power figures..

history is written by the victors.. if Konoha's secret are the Uchihas and the truth.. then it's simple matter to teach the children and the future leaf'ers what they want rather than the truth

..in other words, they told them what they wanted them to believe

[Arukas]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

All this chapter has done is leave me with more questions than answers, kishi is a sadist, i swear to god he is a sick twisted sadist!!!!!

This post has covered about everything I'm thinking right about now.. God damn Kishi. Makes us wait two weeks just for confusion and questions to pop up.


Itachi ordered to kill of his clan.. come on.. This is ridiculous.. and why the hell is Madara being such a nice guy ? What is he after?!

Argh! Frustrating.. <_<