Naruto Manga Chapter 412 spoiler discussion.

[G'd up]

i went from loving this to liking it even more to wtf....

seeing sasuke getting owned and his team of d/r smacked around like rag dolls gave me an eye opener had me thinking ok im sure this is genjutsu but it looks cool

then i figured it wasn't genjutsu i got excited wow this amazing someone can actually hurt the god known as sasugay and his band a merry men

then it was dashed to shit once i read that appearent you can use raiton to maneuver
you opponents blades in you to keep them from hitting vital organs preventing mortal wounds (not to say you wouldnt bleed to death getting stabbed fucking EIGHT TIMES but i digress) but after i saw that i was ok i figure kishi wouldnt let his fantasy bed mate die so he had to pull some kind of rabbit out the hat then holy sweet jesus the chick has another ability that we were not told of ever even after the fight with dd and itachi non of this healing jazz comes up only when hes fighting the eight tails is she like "oh by the way sasuke you dont have to die bite my arm it will heal you"

awhile a friend of mines told me the naruto series was like playing an imaginative game as a kid you know how like as soon as that one kid starts to get beat hes like "oh i have super strength" or " i can shoot fireballs out my eyes" or "i can fly and now im flying away so i can heal" and so on

[pegasus82]

Full of action. Love these spoilers. And the 8tails is awesome. Im sooooo sure he´s blind, and has augmented sense of hearing like daredevil, combined with chakra sensing as sensitive as goku when sensing ki. Just remembering all of the sound effects (even for juugo´s breathing) in the previous chapter... he has to be blind. Anyway, sick taijutsu and swordmanship from hachi-san.
Every new battle I see I think ¨this is the best battle yet¨. Hooraa for Naruto

[Gathan]

Originally Posted by King_Lionheart

Sasuke CAN dodge the guy's movements. Sasuke was in a position where it was impossible for him to dodge. He ran in with his chidori under the assumption that he would cut off the guys swords, but he had his sword blocked off while the other guy freely held on to 7 more swords. You cant assume that Sasuke cant keep up with the guys movements because he got hit, he's dodging eight swords, he's more then fast enough for the 8 tails. Sasuke never said "I cant see his movements" suigetsu said that. But in the end Sasuke was in a bad position, just like in his fight with DD. He stabbed a clone, and wasn't fast enough to avoid the attack, so he was hit by DD's attack. Is Sasuke faster the DD, YES, then why couldent he avoid the attack? Because he was in a bad position just like he was in this fight.

When Sasuke says that he cant read his movements then thats when you guys can start saying htat as well. You cant say that cause Sasuke got hit that he automaticlly cant keep up with the guys movements. Sasuke got hit in his fight with Itachi as well, guess he couldent keep up with Itachi's movements 2, right?

You say that Sasuke dodge the guys movements, but the facts speak opposite to that.
Sure he could see the attack coming and use raiton to make the swords avoid vital points, but just because you can see something doesn't mean you can move as fast as it those are two different things and obviously Sasuke couldn't.
So if thats what you mean by Sasuke can dodge attacks then he did it very well.
And yes when somebody cant get out of the way of a attack, that means the guy cant keep up with the others movements like it or not, and if it wasn't for the rest of his hawk coming in to save his ass the eight tails would be eating his dead corpse right now.
Bottom line is this, the eight tails is kicking all of their ass and he hasn't even warmed up yet or had to use his bijuu for that matter.
It's funny though looking back at Madara and how he was so sure they could handle it, then again he was probably being sarcastic.
Anyways I look forward to the continued slaughter next chapter.

[Dussan]

Whoa!!

Sasuke got crushed.

I got high hopes he continues to get his ass handed to him for being an overconfident faggot.

[Shinobi-kun]

Originally Posted by Gathan

You say that Sasuke dodge the guys movements, but the facts speak opposite to that.
Sure he could see the attack coming and use raiton to make the swords avoid vital points, but just because you can see something doesn't mean you can move as fast as it those are two different things and obviously Sasuke couldn't.
So if thats what you mean by Sasuke can dodge attacks then he did it very well.
And yes when somebody cant get out of the way of a attack, that means the guy cant keep up with the others movements like it or not, and if it wasn't for the rest of his hawk coming in to save his ass the eight tails would be eating his dead corpse right now.
Bottom line is this, the eight tails is kicking all of their ass and he hasn't even warmed up yet or had to use his bijuu for that matter.
It's funny though looking back at Madara and how he was so sure they could handle it, then again he was probably being sarcastic.
Anyways I look forward to the continued slaughter next chapter.

you know, if sasuke had dodged the swords, every one of you sasuke haters would've been screaming that he's overpowered until your heads fell off.

And the fact that sasuke messed up the first time against the hachibi doesn't mean he sucks, or that he's slower than the hachibi in straight on combat. As King Lionheart said, he got caught in a bad position, end of story.

As for Hawk coming to save him, so what?! that's the point of having a 4-man squad. If sasuke felt he could do everything himself, he wouldn't have gone through the trouble of gathering the others.

Today they served their purpose.

[Sdsky]

Originally Posted by Shinobi-kun

you know, if sasuke had dodged the swords, every one of you sasuke haters would've been screaming that he's overpowered until your heads fell off.

And the fact that sasuke messed up the first time against the hachibi doesn't mean he sucks, or that he's slower than the hachibi in straight on combat. As King Lionheart said, he got caught in a bad position, end of story.

As for Hawk coming to save him, so what?! that's the point of having a 4-man squad. If sasuke felt he could do everything himself, he wouldn't have gone through the trouble of gathering the others.

Today they served their purpose.

Well,i would love to agree,but ppl say naruto sucks just because he messed up the first time aganst Ka..well,the 5 elements dude,and that wasnt a strategy or speed problem,was just a new attack,and a bad position situation.
So well,just being fair,anyway,it is the eight tails,so i guess even "god"may get hurt...haha,still,im not saying sasuke sucks,i Just love to see him getting his ass kicked...
even if he wins,it makes the fight way more interesting

[Gathan]

Originally Posted by Shinobi-kun

And the fact that sasuke messed up the first time against the hachibi doesn't mean he sucks, or that he's slower than the hachibi in straight on combat. As King Lionheart said, he got caught in a bad position, end of story.

Bad position what are you talking about Sasuke was in a defensive position with his sword in front of him, Sasuke couldn't have been in a better position to defend himself and well we saw how that worked out.
Seriously you guys are like grasping for straws looking for reasons for why Sasuke got owned, and cant see the obvious reason that the eight tails is just better.

[dpt101]

Originally Posted by Shinobi-kun

you know, if sasuke had dodged the swords, every one of you sasuke haters would've been screaming that he's overpowered until your heads fell off.

And the fact that sasuke messed up the first time against the hachibi doesn't mean he sucks, or that he's slower than the hachibi in straight on combat. As King Lionheart said, he got caught in a bad position, end of story.

As for Hawk coming to save him, so what?! that's the point of having a 4-man squad. If sasuke felt he could do everything himself, he wouldn't have gone through the trouble of gathering the others.

Today they served their purpose.

I'll give you that, when Sasuke was struck with the seven blades, it was a result of his being caught off guard by his attack's failure. He was simply stuck. However, Sasuke was also knocked back on page 15. Keep in mind, Sasuke has already turned on his sharingan by this point. Was he "just in a bad positon" that time as well?

No, clearly he's having trouble predicting Hachi's movements. Either that, or he's having trouble reacting to them. It must be one of the two. My guess would be he's having trouble reacting to them, pointing toward Hachi being a physically superior speciman, based on Hachi's reaction to being kicked in the throat at full force.

Or, heck, it could be both! In any case, don't be surprised to see Hachi try to take out Karin in the next issue. He's a doofus, but he isn't a dummy. He already knows he has Sasuke beat, he just needs to take away the green mushroom that is Karin.

[King_Lionheart]

Originally Posted by Gathan

Bad position what are you talking about Sasuke was in a defensive position with his sword in front of him, Sasuke couldn't have been in a better position to defend himself and well we saw how that worked out.
Seriously you guys are like grasping for straws looking for reasons for why Sasuke got owned, and cant see the obvious reason that the eight tails is just better.

Sasuke was blocking off one of the eight tails sword with his sword. However the eigh tails has 7 fucking more swords ready to attack. BAD POSITION.

Sasuke assumed he would cut threw his swords but got caught in a stand still with 7 more swords ready to destroy him. BAD POSITION.

Originally Posted by dpt101

I'll give you that, when Sasuke was struck with the seven blades, it was a result of his being caught off guard by his attack's failure. He was simply stuck. However, Sasuke was also knocked back on page 15. Keep in mind, Sasuke has already turned on his sharingan by this point. Was he "just in a bad positon" that time as well?

No, clearly he's having trouble predicting Hachi's movements. Either that, or he's having trouble reacting to them. It must be one of the two. My guess would be he's having trouble reacting to them, pointing toward Hachi being a physically superior speciman, based on Hachi's reaction to being kicked in the throat at full force.

Or, heck, it could be both! In any case, don't be surprised to see Hachi try to take out Karin in the next issue. He's a doofus, but he isn't a dummy. He already knows he has Sasuke beat, he just needs to take away the green mushroom that is Karin.

True, but even though Sasuke did get thrown back he still did block off all those attacks, AND THERE WERE A LOT EIGHT FUCKING SWORDS. He got one little cut on his cheek. If you ask me he kept up with the hachibi pretty well. But in my opinion if the attack kept going he might of eventually got Sasuke, due to just how overwhelming that atack is, swords coming at you from all over. But think about it, Sasuke blocked of 8 swords with his one sword. He kept up pretty good.

[Sdsky]

Originally Posted by Gathan

Bad position what are you talking about Sasuke was in a defensive position with his sword in front of him, Sasuke couldn't have been in a better position to defend himself and well we saw how that worked out.
Seriously you guys are like grasping for straws looking for reasons for why Sasuke got owned, and cant see the obvious reason that the eight tails is just better.

Dude,i know it,i was just making a point...using naruto's fight...cause it was pretty much the same thing(but naruto was better,just had bad lucky)
and everybodywas bashing him,and when this guy hits sasuke,it isnt a problem,like,sasuke have to be saved=ok naruto save and have to be saved=stupid

[votehill4pres]

^ yep there is a double standard

[Nemis]

im not too sure if he is the most powerful of jinchuriki's. as we only seen 3 of them fight. all the other ones were caught and captured off screen or shown at the last couple of seconds of being caught. if this is the level of combat skills a jinchuriki has then it shows how good the old ak' members were.

now just imagine if when sasuke got stabbed his cloak came off. just think of all the chatter this thread would have. on if he's gonna die or not. lol i dont think sasuke got a power boast from the bite. it could be a mere chakra surge from when he sucked it out of karin. which could be nothing more then an adrenaline rush.

[Soph_dre]

Not sure if this is on topic, but where do people find the RAWs nowadays. I used to go to mangahelpers.com, but they are nowhere to be found.

On topic, I saw some of the spoilers; 8-Tails looks like he is pwning.

[Leroy]

Bad news for those who love Binktopia's Naruto scans, they are dropping Naruto and they dont seem to be doing even this chapter
im gonna miss Binky's scans, they were truely good

[usn014]

looks like karin and sasuke are into that freaky shit ''oh bite me!!! bite me baby''lol

[OpTiMuSGOTFRAG]

Originally Posted by Shinobi-kun

you know, if sasuke had dodged the swords, every one of you sasuke haters would've been screaming that he's overpowered until your heads fell off.

And the fact that sasuke messed up the first time against the hachibi doesn't mean he sucks, or that he's slower than the hachibi in straight on combat. As King Lionheart said, he got caught in a bad position, end of story.

As for Hawk coming to save him, so what?! that's the point of having a 4-man squad. If sasuke felt he could do everything himself, he wouldn't have gone through the trouble of gathering the others.

Today they served their purpose.

Sasuke IS the one that told them to back off and that he'd handle this So he clearly thought he could take him on alone.

Sasuke doesn't suck by any means, but he made a massive mis-calculation against the 8 tails and ended up paying for it. I find it very impressive that he ran the lightning element through his body to alter the path of the swords to avoid significant injuries.

Time and time again I stop and think "What in the world would Sasuke have done had Kakashi not taught him the lightning element?" Notice how time and time again it's becoming quite a lifesaver for him?

Nemis, I'm going to go ahead and assume that no Jinchuuruiki was this amazing even if they were powerful. They had a high level of mastery of their Jinchuuruki's abilities, but their core combat abilities, I doubt, were as good as the 8 tail is showcasing right now. I also very much doubt that regardless of how much of their tailed beast's powers they could use, it probably wasn't on par with the level of mastery that the 8 tail probably has.

I'm not saying that Sasuke can't compete with the 8 tail, but were it not for Suigetsu's help. Sasuke wouldn't have had the opportunity to rethink what he was going to do to stay alive and alter how he goes at the 8 tail. I guess the same can be said for Naruto when he got grabbed by Kakuzu, but then I still feel naruto had the chance to do something to get out of it. Sasuke whether he altered the path of the swords or not, would've been killed had Suigetsu not come forward to block the other attacks.

The 8 tail most definitely out thought and out performed Sasuke on that occasion. That speaks volumes as to his ability, but lets see how it all plays out from here on out. It's not like we are all Sasuke haters, but we kinda do enjoy seeing him get roughed up here and there. Face it, he's a traitor and has gone against so many of the things that he was supposed to stand for as a student of Kakashi or as a friend to Naruto or as a Konoha Shinobi in general.

Who does Sasuke truly believe is being used. He intends to head to Konoha and kill the heads of Konoha and hopefully preventing further loss of innocents? Does he not realize that any attack on Konoha will result in massive loss of innocent life in the very same way that his beloved clan was annihilated all in that one night even the non-combatants? Whenever a person such as Sasuke has bad things happen to him, you can't help, but have a smile on your face.

When Sasuke does eventually attack Konoha with the rest of the Akatsuki whether he succeeds in his objectives or whether he fails, what kind of message or state does he believe he would be leaving Konoha in? He's complete trash for even openly saying that he would "crush Konoha"

[Shinobi-kun]

Originally Posted by dpt101

I'll give you that, when Sasuke was struck with the seven blades, it was a result of his being caught off guard by his attack's failure. He was simply stuck. However, Sasuke was also knocked back on page 15. Keep in mind, Sasuke has already turned on his sharingan by this point. Was he "just in a bad positon" that time as well?

No, clearly he's having trouble predicting Hachi's movements. Either that, or he's having trouble reacting to them. It must be one of the two. My guess would be he's having trouble reacting to them, pointing toward Hachi being a physically superior speciman, based on Hachi's reaction to being kicked in the throat at full force.

Or, heck, it could be both! In any case, don't be surprised to see Hachi try to take out Karin in the next issue. He's a doofus, but he isn't a dummy. He already knows he has Sasuke beat, he just needs to take away the green mushroom that is Karin.

I never said that Sasuke was physically stronger than the 8tails. We've seen how strong he is. But regardless, he WAS caught in a bad position; his chidori charged kusanagi was unexpectedly blocked which left him defenseless.

if and when Sasuke beats the 8tails, its going to be using his MS. That's almost a given given the circumstances..

-Sasuke's lightning techniques are basically useless against this guy
-Even with the sharingan activated, the 8tails movements are seem to be too erratic for him to keep up with, despite being able to see the attacks coming.

So, unless sasuke has some crazy fire manipulation jutsu he can whip out, he's going to use the MS, and we still don't kno exactly what it can do.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we're going to see it in action this chapter or the next, since 413 looks like it will be revealing the 8tails "8th blade"

[votehill4pres]

^ lol i just wish u sasuke fans can see things so positive when its naruto,

[OpTiMuSGOTFRAG]

Originally Posted by Shinobi-kun

I never said that Sasuke was physically stronger than the 8tails. We've seen how strong he is. But regardless, he WAS caught in a bad position; his chidori charged kusanagi was unexpectedly blocked which left him defenseless.

if and when Sasuke beats the 8tails, its going to be using his MS. That's almost a given given the circumstances..

-Sasuke's lightning techniques are basically useless against this guy
-Even with the sharingan activated, the 8tails movements are seem to be too erratic for him to keep up with, despite being able to see the attacks coming.

So, unless sasuke has some crazy fire manipulation jutsu he can whip out, he's going to use the MS, and we still don't kno exactly what it can do.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we're going to see it in action this chapter or the next, since 413 looks like it will be revealing the 8tails "8th blade"

He was caught in a bad position because of the 8 tail's skill. Replace Sasuke with a superior shinobi and they probably wouldn't have been caught the way Sasuke was. Not saying they couldn't also get hit, but they probably wouldn't have been so quickly put down in such a devastating way. Sasuke was as good as dead just now. It's evident in the fact that the 8 tails instantly knew that Sasuke had ran the lightning element through his body to alter the course of his blades. The fact that he knew that immediately, means he would've had a more deadly followup.

The 8 tails was simply better at the time. Against a lesser opponent the blocked Chidori sword wouldn't have been something that lead to Sasuke being in a bad position. The "bad position" only exists because of who Sasuke's opponent was.

[narutofanboy]

youre all acting as if sasuke being in a bad position is not sasuke's fault. Sasuke went in for a straight attack with one sword with a heavy assumption against 8 swords. I feel like this fight will humble mos def humble sasuke; make him think twice about putting too much confidence on one attack.