The Naruto Manga discussion Thread - Page 2

Horus · 24-10-2005, 04:41 PM

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And has anyone noticed that Kishimoto HASNT explained ANYTHING that just happened w/ this sub-arc?? No explanation about how Kakashi got Mangekyou, no explanation about how Naruto trained to release more Kyuubi tails, no explanation about how Jiriaiya's seal works, no explanation about Akatsuki, no explanation about their goals, no explanation about their reaction to Sasori dying, no explanation about why Zetsu eats people, no glimpse into any more Akatsuki characters, no explanation about how Tobi will enter Akatsuki now, no explanation about how Deidara survived/escaped the fight. He didnt even have anything to show the peoples reaction to Gaara after he died protecting them...only a few Kazekage fangirls. No talk about the sound spy...no talk about that at all

I dont think we'ver even gotten to that part yet Kill, but I feel you...give it sometime, and I think he'll maybe, possible, explain just a little of whats going on...First things First....blah...

Clappers · 27-10-2005, 02:10 AM

Jesus, I understand some of your complaints BUT GIVE IT SOME TIME. I mean the gap between Itachi and Kisame showing up to some glimpse of the Akatsuki reunion was almost 100 chapters, he's not gonna throw every answer to everything about 5 chapters later. I'm sure we're gonna see the Akatsuki discuss this, their plans being revealed but you can't cram all that plot into so much space, then you just get accused of being too complicated or you just run out of plot altogether. It's about timing and spacing out.

**sadated_peon** · 27-10-2005, 11:17 PM

Most of the plot holes claimed here are either not enough info, or just a false assumption previously made.

The only plot hole that I know of, that can not be cleared up later is this one.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=12671
fake right arm

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=12743
poisoned real right arm.

PC Chris · 27-10-2005, 11:21 PM

^^ I didn;t think she got poisned I thought Sakura used the other antidot?

**sadated_peon** · 28-10-2005, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by zsladexx

^^ I didn;t think she got poisned I thought Sakura used the other antidot?

there were two antidots, one sakura used when she got hit with the black sand. The second one chiyo used when sakura got stabbed at the end.

**Apoo** · 31-10-2005, 01:05 AM

^^ well maybe that was the shoulder or higher up thatn the fake arm. or maybe it was the left hand..

wait..did it say it was the right hand..?

*goes back to check*

killacross · 08-11-2005, 01:35 PM

is it me...or is Kishimoto just wasting ink lately with these chapters that have nothing to do with anything. Granted, I enjoyed the last chapter because it showed Shino (dumb new look) Hinata (teh cuteness) and Akamaru (a horse)...but really...all it has done has had Akatsuki looking like ordinary nins...Gai/Kakashi & Lee/Neji borderline homosexuality....Tsunade kissing low level nins ass (Naruto and Sakura) and then introducing the new character Sai <-- which is probably the only thing of merit which has happened lately.

Of course Sai will be a weakling with a troubled past too...but its expected because she is a "strong" bad guy.

Guy_sensei · 08-11-2005, 01:59 PM

I appologise for not posting earlier, i did not know this thread exists, i wonder why you think pple should'nt/ wouldnt post becoz....of fanboys......, i dont see why they shud, anyway i think the idea of a bitchin thread would definately be controversial, but it depends on how u view it. i just see it as a thread 2 discuss ur dislikes on the manga, plus i'm kinda idle now so wat the heck.
Firstly, i'm glad to know that someone actually shares the same views as me on all this madicel jutsju wooplah, it all rediculously scandalous, and kishi keeps rubbin iot in with kakashi, its kinda like animal farm, where the rules that makes sometin wat it is being constantly changed and contradicted continously.
I could go on 4ever but i better make out the points on my dislikes, else i'll never finish. Firstly i'll like to say i appreciate that making a manga aint easy work, and its easier critisizing, but it ur choice 2 step into the limelite and bless you, critics have never been known for using soft words, however wats the point in pretending its all good when its not?
1) I say as much as we all like/ love naruto, he's a punk, but ultimately becoming hockage automatically makes the manga far fetched, but thats wat makes it special, underdog hussling 2 the top, but there are some things that are really rediculous, like:thmbdn:
Sakura's super human strenght
Sazori loosing the fight in the manner he did
the fact that puppets are puppets does not mean you just smash them, if they were that fragile, the wont be used for combat, dont know about you but i dont like ridiculous moves/ development.
Ridiculous character development/ character change. i know how impossibleit is for pple to just decide wat kinda person they want 2 be and be it. if only it was that easy, call me a hater but i find sakura's development kinda sloopy, she became understudy to the fifth for no reason at an unrealistic time, just coz kishi wanted to do a sannin reincarnation. these kids dot really have special talents, sasuke compared to itachi is a weakling pussy all he has to show for his misrable life is sharingan, naruto was a dum punk but with his resilience, will power, and kyuubi, he was bound to be a force to reckon with with the right influence, this means take kyuubi awayand he's nothin but a dum punk. Sakura was just absolutely usless as a ninja. some how ever kishi has managed to transform them and tjhe are now on a road to being new sannins, and he aint done enough to convince me that the deserve to be, all he did was give them unrealistic power out of nowhere, well not naruto, the flaws on naruto's development is all down to kishi's recent display of poor creativity, you see naruto developing like in the fight against gaara, neji, oro, the tripple threat sannin battle, and he goes back and starts fighting without using his brain, only depending on kyuubi, and i dont understand how jhe could just use kyuubi's chakra when he likes, unless kyuubi has a plan to brewak free. Anyway this is getting too long, let me just state some silly errors i think kishi might have made.
Gai opening 6 gates against kisame(if i remember correctly, it was six, and i thought five was injury where your musles tear so how can six mean no consequences?)
Rin transplanting kakashi's sharingan, wat can i say, that was a medical impossibility the whole thing was rediculous if kishi gave a reasonable explanation or storyline he could have got away with it but that was just stupid, and if they really wanted to get obito out and rescue him, they would have, chidori would handle the stone, and rin could have restored obito from near death condition, no? why not if she can perform a transplant that works in seconds.
Sakura being able to throw the seal at sazori (why does kishi not take the baddies seriously like they are inferior ctreatures with no value? every character has a story and should be taken seriously naot just used and thrown away. Its kinda like them 70's shooting films where an american with a gun thinks he is superman and just sprays bare iraqi's or egyptians , or like arnold killing a whole army by himself, i have a good example to explain my point, when neji beat the crap out of naruto, he got up when it was meant to be game over, but naruto gets the upper hand once knocks out neji and he dont get up. fair enough you'll say it was with red chakra, but then again if naruto somehow blocked someones chakra whole and knocks them down we all know they wont have got up and every one would justify that, likewise are you sure that if it was naruto that got hit with red chakra he wont have got up? i m sure he would. anyway wat can i say sazori was kishi's puppet put in a fight to loose wether he liked it or not.
Chiyo ba's jutsju, i liked gara and i aint saying i'm not happy he'd alive, but he is already dead, and there are only a million reasons why that jutsju does not make sense, you think about it ur self and work it out it aint practical and if it was, it would not have the same results as it did 4 gaara.
THe way things are revolved around ou little trio is unrealistic, i kno i'll sound crazy, but i rate authors like jk rowlings, daniel brown and co coz of their creativity, they have tallent (and thats not a shot at kishi) dont flame me, but i do read works on these kinda authors and kisi seems really poor when you see the kinda things he comes up with, there is so much he could have done with the sory line he had going and look wat he came up with. is naruto meant to be for kids like dbz? if yes then i'm sorry for being mistaken, it is silly that the hockage should be kissing naruto's ass and her top priority should be finding sasuke, her whole life revolves around sakura/ naruto and sasuke's issues, like she's one o their buddies or their peer group, where is the charisma,
where is the politics
why is oro not being hunted for,
why should sasuke get M.S.
why shouly naruto be a jounnin coz he did training with jyriah,
why can kakashi just come up with new super moves when he likes
if sharingan was that powerful how did the uchia's all stay weaklings and get killed so easily, kisi is not taking characters seriously.
dalm this has to be the longest post in the history of this site. i think i should stop now. bare with me if ther are any spelling errors, the thought of editing this post is daunting.lol.

Ps: I STAND BY MY THEORY, kishi has been smoking the "oooh lah lah"

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:eek:

yueyouko · 08-11-2005, 05:16 PM

sasori wasn't really defeated...he had the chance to escape the attack of chiyo but he didn't...maybe, masashi thought, Sasori is over exposed...and he need to have a clean get-away, so, to give Sasori a li'l honor...he let Sasori commit -sort of- suicide...

but you know...chiyo and sakura managed to fight bcoz Chiyo had the experience...and sakura is kinda smart(i'm not a fan of sakura, in fact i don't lyk her)...but that's the way it is...^_^

oh yeah, at first i also reacted about Chiyo's jutsu...the "reviving the dead" jutsu...i mean, at first i thought it would be -"wait a minute, so you is it a plan of masashi to regain the fans' enjoyment (by reviving gaara)"- well i still think that it is his reason...but at least it is not a perfect jutsu since Chiyo need to sacrifice herself...

the uchihas, maybe, all of them are superb ninjas...it's just itachi is more superb than them.

i also thought about why aren't they hunting Orochi...why?, 4me maybe, they want to hunt oro, it's just they need sum1 like a sannin and group of jounin, anbu, and chuunin to attack oro...or maybe they're tracking down oro, we just don't know...or jiraiya is maybe tracking oro...gathering infos. they need to be careful since oro is not an ordinary criminal...^_^

yeah, the story has many flaws but you see, the author is just human...hahahaha...i wish he can read this thread ryt now....hahahaha

but you're right...masashi should take his characters seriously...^_^
^_^

killacross · 11-11-2005, 01:41 PM

WOW!! just read the latest chapter....and WOW!! Im shockt beyond belief!!

1) Sai looks a liiiittle too much like Itachi...can he REALLY not come up with a UNIQUE character?? Lately...all hes been doing is creating clones...Sakura/Tsunade...Choji/his dad....Shikamaru/his dad....Team Gai and their clones...Itachi/Kisame and their clones...NARUTO (lol)...but anyway...on to the genuine complaints.

2) SAI IS A DUDE?!?! AGAIN...KISHI DRAWING THE TRANSGENDERS!! Kishi has something he's trying to tell us!! Trying to lessen the blow when he comes out...think about it...

3)Sai is STRONGER than anyone in Konoha (-Chuunin level) and his power is he DRAWS??
I mean really Kishi OMFG!! that is REAAAALLY practical...yea o.O

In a fight:
Enemy: DIE!!
Sai: wait, wait, wait 1 sec!!
Enemy: *stops*??? w-what??
Sai: *sits down...crosses HIS legs...pulls out ink...pulls out brush....pulls out scroll...unravels it*
Sai: OK...GO!!
Enemy: wth??
Sai: drawn-Ninja-attack-dog-no-jutsu

Enemy: (@_@)...yeaaaa...I think Im gonna go home now...no point in killing weaklings

Kishi dropped the ball on this one!! not only is the power lame (thus far) but really..the "drawings" are done with such shitty quality (be it Japanese art/language influenced or not) I could draw something like that...and I DONT make millions of dollars DRAWING as my job!! Kishi has mad talent drawing and his tries to force feed us horseshit like this?!?

and then Sai...being the super weakling (that he appears to be) decides to trash talk Naruto?? Im just looking forward to whichever chapter it is where Sai gets his ass handed to him by the Ramen Girl...

maybe Im jumping the gun...maybe this time when Kishi writes "This guy is the strongest ever, with the most undefeatable moves ever possessed ever, most invincible powers guy ever, with the most advanced mind, greatest strategies of all time, and a 1 hit kill move" he'll actually mean it.

damn this bullshit just ruined my morning...at least Chouji's character design was good...A LOT better than neo-Shino's anyway

**Apoo** · 11-11-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by killacross

WOW!! just read the latest chapter....and WOW!! Im shockt beyond belief!!

1) Sai looks a liiiittle too much like Itachi...can he REALLY not come up with a UNIQUE character?? Lately...all hes been doing is creating clones...Sakura/Tsunade...Choji/his dad....Shikamaru/his dad....Team Gai and their clones...Itachi/Kisame and their clones...NARUTO (lol)...but anyway...on to the genuine complaints.

2) SAI IS A DUDE?!?! AGAIN...KISHI DRAWING THE TRANSGENDERS!! Kishi has something he's trying to tell us!! Trying to lessen the blow when he comes out...think about it...

3)Sai is STRONGER than anyone in Konoha (-Chuunin level) and his power is he DRAWS??
I mean really Kishi OMFG!! that is REAAAALLY practical...yea o.O

In a fight:
Enemy: DIE!!
Sai: wait, wait, wait 1 sec!!
Enemy: *stops*??? w-what??
Sai: *sits down...crosses HIS legs...pulls out ink...pulls out brush....pulls out scroll...unravels it*
Sai: OK...GO!!
Enemy: wth??
Sai: drawn-Ninja-attack-dog-no-jutsu

Enemy: (@_@)...yeaaaa...I think Im gonna go home now...no point in killing weaklings

Kishi dropped the ball on this one!! not only is the power lame (thus far) but really..the "drawings" are done with such shitty quality (be it Japanese art/language influenced or not) I could draw something like that...and I DONT make millions of dollars DRAWING as my job!! Kishi has mad talent drawing and his tries to force feed us horseshit like this?!?

and then Sai...being the super weakling (that he appears to be) decides to trash talk Naruto?? Im just looking forward to whichever chapter it is where Sai gets his ass handed to him by the Ramen Girl...

maybe Im jumping the gun...maybe this time when Kishi writes "This guy is the strongest ever, with the most undefeatable moves ever possessed ever, most invincible powers guy ever, with the most advanced mind, greatest strategies of all time, and a 1 hit kill move" he'll actually mean it.

damn this bullshit just ruined my morning...at least Chouji's character design was good...A LOT better than neo-Shino's anyway

dude, your so full of shit. You are the ONLY one that has been complaining as of lately..even the manga haters have died down since the end of the Sasori arc.

Frist of all...we've just seen like about 3 seconds of Sai..and you start talking shit, saying that he is a weakling..

He is clearly testing Naruto..and even if Naruto characters have only a couple of jutsu..it is clear that he is going to have more jutsu, or stronger one from his same style.

I guess that everything bothers you know..Even the looks of the new character dessings.

You say that Kishimoto does unoriginal stuff.

I dare you..find me three manga's that a character (even a minor one) uses paintings to attack.

I say you need to shut up, and start complaining when we really get a bad chapter. After all, you are the ONLY one that has been complaining as of lately..(with maybe one or 2 execptions)

P.S: Shino's dessing is preety cool. And if you look closely, under the hood, he is sporting his same old outfit..only in black.

killacross · 12-11-2005, 03:57 PM

*sigh*
*waits for Dax*
but until then
yea Tony I admitted I may have jumped the gun on Sais technique and labeling him as weak...but it was not ONLY me complaining about this chapter you read the 283 discussion...you had plenty of people discuss their dissapointment in the drawing technique...and in the fact that Sai looks like an Uchiha (IMO Itachi)

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Originally Posted by Ghoost007

dosen't anyone notice that sai looks like from the Uaciha clan.
still Itachi did say that there are 3 pepole that have the ability of mangekyuo shringan, can it be sai?

...and Im full of shit??

you read people talk about the fact that the drawing comes to life technique wasnt original.....and you try to call me on that

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Originally Posted by Marlie

Looks just like his dad....I did'nt know who walked up him or Chouji....Sai's power is a little weird...attacking with ink drawings...I've seen this power so many times before...I hope that's not all Sai can do....I was expecting him to be something like a melee ninjutsu fighter...

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Originally Posted by kyuubi1

that aint new what kishi just did taht power has been done many times
in inuyasha,seen it in charmed (teh witchshow) theres a legend of some art power liek sai's that aint new

....and Im full of shit??
other people call Sai weak...and you call me as being the ONLY one thinking that??

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Originally Posted by kyuubi1

techniques were cool by the sai guy is weak sorry i don't dig these characters that hide then send things dude bringing drawings 2 fights don't do it for me & on the physical note i don't think sai is strong.

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Originally Posted by KillMe

pah stupid technique - go naruto - crush that little shit

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Originally Posted by TheWicked

OK Sai is creeping me out And why is he saying Naruto is weak before even watching how he fights? And that after his technique got owned by Choji and Shika effortlessly? And why does he have a BLADELESS KATANA? Don't tell me Kishi is pulling off a lightsaber...
Who wants to bet that the Naruto who's facing Sai at the moment is a Kage Bunshin? He was going to do a KB right before Shika told him to duck...
BTW I SAID Sai is male, but nobody listened to me. He had no boobs. I was 100% correct.
And SAI IS NOT A UCHIHA get it into your head already you f***ing morons.
But who cares SHIKA SHOWED A NEW TECHNIQUE HAHAAHA YESSSS!!
Ha, a rather interesting chapter. I LOVED Shikamaru's new technique.
And I have to say... that last line made me chuckle.

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Originally Posted by AkiOokami

If we're going to be stuck with Sai, I really hope that that technique of his isn't the only one he's got. I definitely wasn't expecting that from him.

...and Im full of bullshit??
I AM NOT the only one who sees this...

and that was all from only the 3rd page of THAT discussion thread?? I could have gone on...but my point has already been made..I mean You have to have read it!! your name is alllllll thoughout that thread!!

Tony Im begging you...If you are going to continue ignoring what others have said just to attack me when I express myself
STAY AWAY from this thread plz!!

**Apoo** · 12-11-2005, 04:53 PM

You only seem to be adreesing me on the Sai deal, i wonder why that is..

first thing..let me tell you who the people who you quoted are.

Kyubbi-the guy that says Ikkau has Bankai, and has expressed many times he loves raw fighting..the Kenpachi style..obviously not a fan of this jutsu.

Killme- An Extreme Kenpachi fanboy, that has expressec mnay times..he like "the warrior.. bloddy fighting way".Obviously not a fan of this jutsu.

Marlie said that he had seen this many times..but I dared you to find me three manga with that character..have you done that?? No. I want to see them..just three little characters..go do that.

the other quotes where expressing theri feelings that they would like Sai to have more than just that jutsu. I have done that as well, and its obvious he is not going to be that weak.

So you failed miserably at a comback...and fyi...for a long time..your the only one that has been complaining on this thread.

Marlie · 12-11-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

Marlie said that he had seen this many times..but I dared you to find me three manga with that character..have you done that?? No. I want to see them..just three little characters..go do that.

WHOA THAR! I was'nt dissing his power...I said it was a little weird....anyway I know who person who has the power to bring his drawing to life was that guy from Inuyasha that's the only one...but I know there are plenty of characters who use ink to attack....like the little girl from One Piece that was pair with Mr. 3....that chick...

heavenX · 12-11-2005, 06:30 PM

cba reading the other post

ill just say my own things.

1. the plot sux compaired to the first few arcs.
2.the whole ninja aspect is gone. they dont even wear ****ing ninja cloths or what so ever =/ call that shinobi's? they dont do ninja like things (creating wholes to break throu dimensions doesnt sound like a ninja tactic too me :x)
3.The plot doesnt feel like its moving. it use to be about a boy that was trying to get stronger and even becoming the hokage. now the plot is about some weird group that are doing things you dont know and some pedofile who
"kidnapped" a team mate and they wanna safe that team mate (wich prolly is gonna take years or something before they can do that...they shouldve giving up on sasuke if you ask me)
4. somehow i just think that it couldve been better. the way naruto begon was great. it had so much potential. but when the "get sasuke back" arc began...to be more preciesly, after naruto got rasengan the serie just stopped or something...

naruto is still fun but it use to be better

**Apoo** · 12-11-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlie

WHOA THAR! I was'nt dissing his power...I said it was a little weird....anyway I know who person who has the power to bring his drawing to life was that guy from Inuyasha that's the only one...but I know there are plenty of characters who use ink to attack....like the little girl from One Piece that was pair with Mr. 3....that chick...

The guy from Inuyasha= 1 ep. ok I accept that.

but the girl from OP..lmao..sure if you want to call that an ink attack..but that was just comic relief. and it was not ink..it was paint...she drew on you..and the color of the paint made feel a certain mood..and it was just to be funny.

not making things to attakc out of paint..is not a completedly new idea..but is is pretty original.

I really don't care so much for the haters..if they din't like the Sasori arc too much, I did..but if they din't w/e.

but too come out dissing this chapter like that..when it was clearly good. shit.

Also..killacros a couple of post backs had a long list of things he disliked..half of those things were absurd to even list. (post 20)

like at first..some of the complaints were understanble..but all of that then got ridiculous.

PC Chris · 13-11-2005, 02:41 AM

@ Tony: dude in Yu Yu Hakusho used ink to attack =p

Seshen · 13-11-2005, 02:43 AM

^ That ninja of demons Gama.... he was a looser....

PC Chris · 13-11-2005, 02:56 AM

^ indeed Ididn't think him though he proved to have some bad ass abilities that hindered kurama.

27-10-2005, 02:10 AM	#22
Clappers ANBU Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Britland Posts: 1,349 My Mood: Rep Power: 19	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread Jesus, I understand some of your complaints BUT GIVE IT SOME TIME. I mean the gap between Itachi and Kisame showing up to some glimpse of the Akatsuki reunion was almost 100 chapters, he's not gonna throw every answer to everything about 5 chapters later. I'm sure we're gonna see the Akatsuki discuss this, their plans being revealed but you can't cram all that plot into so much space, then you just get accused of being too complicated or you just run out of plot altogether. It's about timing and spacing out.

27-10-2005, 11:17 PM	#23
sadated_peon Code Walrus Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Here Posts: 2,475 My Mood: Rep Power: 42	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread Most of the plot holes claimed here are either not enough info, or just a false assumption previously made. The only plot hole that I know of, that can not be cleared up later is this one. http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=12671 fake right arm http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=12743 poisoned real right arm. __________________

27-10-2005, 11:21 PM	#24
PC Chris Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,675 My Mood: Rep Power: 29	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread ^^ I didn;t think she got poisned I thought Sakura used the other antidot? __________________ If want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face…FOREVER!- Nineteen Eighty-Four A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. -random buddy.

31-10-2005, 01:05 AM	#26
Apoo Gomu Gomu no Baka Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami, Florida [305-"Wade" County] Posts: 21,244 Rep Power: 98	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread ^^ well maybe that was the shoulder or higher up thatn the fake arm. or maybe it was the left hand.. wait..did it say it was the right hand..? goes back to check __________________

08-11-2005, 01:35 PM	#27
killacross Medical-nin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 804 Rep Power: 18	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread is it me...or is Kishimoto just wasting ink lately with these chapters that have nothing to do with anything. Granted, I enjoyed the last chapter because it showed Shino (dumb new look) Hinata (teh cuteness) and Akamaru (a horse)...but really...all it has done has had Akatsuki looking like ordinary nins...Gai/Kakashi & Lee/Neji borderline homosexuality....Tsunade kissing low level nins ass (Naruto and Sakura) and then introducing the new character Sai <-- which is probably the only thing of merit which has happened lately. Of course Sai will be a weakling with a troubled past too...but its expected because she is a "strong" bad guy.

08-11-2005, 01:59 PM	#28
Guy_sensei Academy Student Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread I appologise for not posting earlier, i did not know this thread exists, i wonder why you think pple should'nt/ wouldnt post becoz....of fanboys......, i dont see why they shud, anyway i think the idea of a bitchin thread would definately be controversial, but it depends on how u view it. i just see it as a thread 2 discuss ur dislikes on the manga, plus i'm kinda idle now so wat the heck. Firstly, i'm glad to know that someone actually shares the same views as me on all this madicel jutsju wooplah, it all rediculously scandalous, and kishi keeps rubbin iot in with kakashi, its kinda like animal farm, where the rules that makes sometin wat it is being constantly changed and contradicted continously. I could go on 4ever but i better make out the points on my dislikes, else i'll never finish. Firstly i'll like to say i appreciate that making a manga aint easy work, and its easier critisizing, but it ur choice 2 step into the limelite and bless you, critics have never been known for using soft words, however wats the point in pretending its all good when its not? 1) I say as much as we all like/ love naruto, he's a punk, but ultimately becoming hockage automatically makes the manga far fetched, but thats wat makes it special, underdog hussling 2 the top, but there are some things that are really rediculous, like:thmbdn: Sakura's super human strenght Sazori loosing the fight in the manner he did the fact that puppets are puppets does not mean you just smash them, if they were that fragile, the wont be used for combat, dont know about you but i dont like ridiculous moves/ development. Ridiculous character development/ character change. i know how impossibleit is for pple to just decide wat kinda person they want 2 be and be it. if only it was that easy, call me a hater but i find sakura's development kinda sloopy, she became understudy to the fifth for no reason at an unrealistic time, just coz kishi wanted to do a sannin reincarnation. these kids dot really have special talents, sasuke compared to itachi is a weakling pussy all he has to show for his misrable life is sharingan, naruto was a dum punk but with his resilience, will power, and kyuubi, he was bound to be a force to reckon with with the right influence, this means take kyuubi awayand he's nothin but a dum punk. Sakura was just absolutely usless as a ninja. some how ever kishi has managed to transform them and tjhe are now on a road to being new sannins, and he aint done enough to convince me that the deserve to be, all he did was give them unrealistic power out of nowhere, well not naruto, the flaws on naruto's development is all down to kishi's recent display of poor creativity, you see naruto developing like in the fight against gaara, neji, oro, the tripple threat sannin battle, and he goes back and starts fighting without using his brain, only depending on kyuubi, and i dont understand how jhe could just use kyuubi's chakra when he likes, unless kyuubi has a plan to brewak free. Anyway this is getting too long, let me just state some silly errors i think kishi might have made. Gai opening 6 gates against kisame(if i remember correctly, it was six, and i thought five was injury where your musles tear so how can six mean no consequences?) Rin transplanting kakashi's sharingan, wat can i say, that was a medical impossibility the whole thing was rediculous if kishi gave a reasonable explanation or storyline he could have got away with it but that was just stupid, and if they really wanted to get obito out and rescue him, they would have, chidori would handle the stone, and rin could have restored obito from near death condition, no? why not if she can perform a transplant that works in seconds. Sakura being able to throw the seal at sazori (why does kishi not take the baddies seriously like they are inferior ctreatures with no value? every character has a story and should be taken seriously naot just used and thrown away. Its kinda like them 70's shooting films where an american with a gun thinks he is superman and just sprays bare iraqi's or egyptians , or like arnold killing a whole army by himself, i have a good example to explain my point, when neji beat the crap out of naruto, he got up when it was meant to be game over, but naruto gets the upper hand once knocks out neji and he dont get up. fair enough you'll say it was with red chakra, but then again if naruto somehow blocked someones chakra whole and knocks them down we all know they wont have got up and every one would justify that, likewise are you sure that if it was naruto that got hit with red chakra he wont have got up? i m sure he would. anyway wat can i say sazori was kishi's puppet put in a fight to loose wether he liked it or not. Chiyo ba's jutsju, i liked gara and i aint saying i'm not happy he'd alive, but he is already dead, and there are only a million reasons why that jutsju does not make sense, you think about it ur self and work it out it aint practical and if it was, it would not have the same results as it did 4 gaara. THe way things are revolved around ou little trio is unrealistic, i kno i'll sound crazy, but i rate authors like jk rowlings, daniel brown and co coz of their creativity, they have tallent (and thats not a shot at kishi) dont flame me, but i do read works on these kinda authors and kisi seems really poor when you see the kinda things he comes up with, there is so much he could have done with the sory line he had going and look wat he came up with. is naruto meant to be for kids like dbz? if yes then i'm sorry for being mistaken, it is silly that the hockage should be kissing naruto's ass and her top priority should be finding sasuke, her whole life revolves around sakura/ naruto and sasuke's issues, like she's one o their buddies or their peer group, where is the charisma, where is the politics why is oro not being hunted for, why should sasuke get M.S. why shouly naruto be a jounnin coz he did training with jyriah, why can kakashi just come up with new super moves when he likes if sharingan was that powerful how did the uchia's all stay weaklings and get killed so easily, kisi is not taking characters seriously. dalm this has to be the longest post in the history of this site. i think i should stop now. bare with me if ther are any spelling errors, the thought of editing this post is daunting.lol. Ps: I STAND BY MY THEORY, kishi has been smoking the "oooh lah lah" . :eek: __________________ Whats your favourite scary movie!!!!! ? Last edited by Guy_sensei; 08-11-2005 at 03:54 PM.

08-11-2005, 05:16 PM	#29
yueyouko Genin Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 116 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread sasori wasn't really defeated...he had the chance to escape the attack of chiyo but he didn't...maybe, masashi thought, Sasori is over exposed...and he need to have a clean get-away, so, to give Sasori a li'l honor...he let Sasori commit -sort of- suicide... but you know...chiyo and sakura managed to fight bcoz Chiyo had the experience...and sakura is kinda smart(i'm not a fan of sakura, in fact i don't lyk her)...but that's the way it is...^_^ oh yeah, at first i also reacted about Chiyo's jutsu...the "reviving the dead" jutsu...i mean, at first i thought it would be -"wait a minute, so you is it a plan of masashi to regain the fans' enjoyment (by reviving gaara)"- well i still think that it is his reason...but at least it is not a perfect jutsu since Chiyo need to sacrifice herself... the uchihas, maybe, all of them are superb ninjas...it's just itachi is more superb than them. i also thought about why aren't they hunting Orochi...why?, 4me maybe, they want to hunt oro, it's just they need sum1 like a sannin and group of jounin, anbu, and chuunin to attack oro...or maybe they're tracking down oro, we just don't know...or jiraiya is maybe tracking oro...gathering infos. they need to be careful since oro is not an ordinary criminal...^_^ yeah, the story has many flaws but you see, the author is just human...hahahaha...i wish he can read this thread ryt now....hahahaha but you're right...masashi should take his characters seriously...^_^ ^_^ Last edited by yueyouko; 08-11-2005 at 05:22 PM.

11-11-2005, 01:41 PM	#30
killacross Medical-nin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 804 Rep Power: 18	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread WOW!! just read the latest chapter....and WOW!! Im shockt beyond belief!! 1) Sai looks a liiiittle too much like Itachi...can he REALLY not come up with a UNIQUE character?? Lately...all hes been doing is creating clones...Sakura/Tsunade...Choji/his dad....Shikamaru/his dad....Team Gai and their clones...Itachi/Kisame and their clones...NARUTO (lol)...but anyway...on to the genuine complaints. 2) SAI IS A DUDE?!?! AGAIN...KISHI DRAWING THE TRANSGENDERS!! Kishi has something he's trying to tell us!! Trying to lessen the blow when he comes out...think about it... 3)Sai is STRONGER than anyone in Konoha (-Chuunin level) and his power is he DRAWS?? I mean really Kishi OMFG!! that is REAAAALLY practical...yea o.O In a fight: Enemy: DIE!! Sai: wait, wait, wait 1 sec!! Enemy: stops??? w-what?? Sai: sits down...crosses HIS legs...pulls out ink...pulls out brush....pulls out scroll...unravels it Sai: OK...GO!! Enemy: wth?? Sai: drawn-Ninja-attack-dog-no-jutsu Enemy: (@_@)...yeaaaa...I think Im gonna go home now...no point in killing weaklings Kishi dropped the ball on this one!! not only is the power lame (thus far) but really..the "drawings" are done with such shitty quality (be it Japanese art/language influenced or not) I could draw something like that...and I DONT make millions of dollars DRAWING as my job!! Kishi has mad talent drawing and his tries to force feed us horseshit like this?!? and then Sai...being the super weakling (that he appears to be) decides to trash talk Naruto?? Im just looking forward to whichever chapter it is where Sai gets his ass handed to him by the Ramen Girl... maybe Im jumping the gun...maybe this time when Kishi writes "This guy is the strongest ever, with the most undefeatable moves ever possessed ever, most invincible powers guy ever, with the most advanced mind, greatest strategies of all time, and a 1 hit kill move" he'll actually mean it. damn this bullshit just ruined my morning...at least Chouji's character design was good...A LOT better than neo-Shino's anyway Last edited by killacross; 11-11-2005 at 01:55 PM.

12-11-2005, 04:53 PM	#33
Apoo Gomu Gomu no Baka Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami, Florida [305-"Wade" County] Posts: 21,244 Rep Power: 98	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread You only seem to be adreesing me on the Sai deal, i wonder why that is.. first thing..let me tell you who the people who you quoted are. Kyubbi-the guy that says Ikkau has Bankai, and has expressed many times he loves raw fighting..the Kenpachi style..obviously not a fan of this jutsu. Killme- An Extreme Kenpachi fanboy, that has expressec mnay times..he like "the warrior.. bloddy fighting way".Obviously not a fan of this jutsu. Marlie said that he had seen this many times..but I dared you to find me three manga with that character..have you done that?? No. I want to see them..just three little characters..go do that. the other quotes where expressing theri feelings that they would like Sai to have more than just that jutsu. I have done that as well, and its obvious he is not going to be that weak. So you failed miserably at a comback...and fyi...for a long time..your the only one that has been complaining on this thread. __________________

12-11-2005, 06:30 PM	#35
heavenX Chuunin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: up in heaven :D at the X department ;) having a family guy marathon! Posts: 431 My Mood: Rep Power: 16	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread cba reading the other post ill just say my own things. 1. the plot sux compaired to the first few arcs. 2.the whole ninja aspect is gone. they dont even wear ****ing ninja cloths or what so ever =/ call that shinobi's? they dont do ninja like things (creating wholes to break throu dimensions doesnt sound like a ninja tactic too me :x) 3.The plot doesnt feel like its moving. it use to be about a boy that was trying to get stronger and even becoming the hokage. now the plot is about some weird group that are doing things you dont know and some pedofile who "kidnapped" a team mate and they wanna safe that team mate (wich prolly is gonna take years or something before they can do that...they shouldve giving up on sasuke if you ask me) 4. somehow i just think that it couldve been better. the way naruto begon was great. it had so much potential. but when the "get sasuke back" arc began...to be more preciesly, after naruto got rasengan the serie just stopped or something... naruto is still fun but it use to be better __________________

13-11-2005, 02:41 AM	#37
PC Chris Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,675 My Mood: Rep Power: 29	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread @ Tony: dude in Yu Yu Hakusho used ink to attack =p __________________ If want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face…FOREVER!- Nineteen Eighty-Four A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. -random buddy.

13-11-2005, 02:43 AM	#38
Seshen Akatsuki Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: El Paso del Norte Posts: 9,273 My Mood: Rep Power: 69	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread ^ That ninja of demons Gama.... he was a looser.... __________________ Sig removed again by Raptor Jesus for possible furry terrorism

13-11-2005, 02:56 AM	#39
PC Chris Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,675 My Mood: Rep Power: 29	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread ^ indeed Ididn't think him though he proved to have some bad ass abilities that hindered kurama. __________________ If want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face…FOREVER!- Nineteen Eighty-Four A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. -random buddy.

13-11-2005, 03:31 AM	#40
Apoo Gomu Gomu no Baka Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami, Florida [305-"Wade" County] Posts: 21,244 Rep Power: 98