The Naruto Manga discussion Thread

killacross · 15-10-2005, 06:32 AM

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This thread is now for Dicussion of the Naruto Manga series as a whole. It is also a place to bash and defend the series for all members.

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killacross · 15-10-2005, 06:35 AM

OK...Ill start I guess because no one else is here...and so many places to begin...I guess Ill start with the latest chapter...Deidara is alive...and used a doton jutsu that hid him deep within the ground...

that would be all well and good if

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=10243

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Deidara still had arms that worked...even ONE arm that worked...Blatant oversite on Kishi's part.

killacross · 15-10-2005, 03:30 PM

^^I know she does...thats why I love her like that....she bakes me up something nice every night

OT: I guess people are scared to actually post in a thread that says that they dont like parts of Naruto...thats just so sad to me cuz I KNOW you all are out there...but maybe with a little more time this thread will actually come to life...

Rurouni272000 · 15-10-2005, 05:43 PM

Could you give a list of specific things you would personally like to bash? I'm curious.

killacross · 16-10-2005, 03:35 AM

the first 10 that come to mind (for the more recent chapters)

^^1. Naruto not having any skills besides Kyuubi
2. Kakashi making black holes & Kakashi creating a bloodline limit for a bloodline limit that isnt his
3. Lack of story telling for shock value
4. Kakashi/Obito eye transplant-no-jutsu
5. Lack of character development
6. Repetitive story lines
7. Lack of innovation in fights
8. Plot Holes
9. Akatsuki's weakness
10. Not enough information given after sooo many years (everything is done under a veil of secrecy)
and of course...any that you would personally want to discuss (if I missed something) is fine...

PC Chris · 16-10-2005, 03:54 AM

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^^1. Naruto not having any skills besides Kyuubi

Lets see, one fight we've seen after his years of trainign with Jiraiya I find it hard to believe that Jiraiya would'nt teach him anything new though I see I am disapointed my self that Naruto is still using his old tricks but he really doens't have that much control over Kyubi so meh.

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2. Kakashi making black holes & Kakashi creating a bloodline limit for a bloodline limit that isnt his

Well it was an eye transplant which was suppose to act as a working eye but yeah black hole alittle to much I think it irritated me too.

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3. Lack of story telling for shock value

Kishi doesn't use shock value, he throws clues out there for the reader to guess.

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4. Kakashi/Obito eye transplant-no-jutsu

Rin transplanted it, so its safe to say she was a medial nin.

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5. Lack of character development

what are you reading? I can understand the aka arc cause that had very little character depth other then show how far Gaara has come in reforming himself.

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6. Repetitive story lines

when you mean repetitive do you mean this?
bad guy comes, good guy wins?

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7. Lack of innovation in fights

THe second season basically juststarted the first arc ended lets not jump the gun yet, in the next few arcs if theres lack if innovation then I'll agree with you. (I'll still have hope but I'll agree.)

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8. Plot Holes

Hopfully Kakashis Sharigan will be explained, other then that I don't see any other plot holes.

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9. Akatsuki's weakness

Well they were hyped up alot not only that I think we were shown the weakest pair Deidara and Sasori, which Deidara didn't die so theres still some hope. but yeah atm aka seems really weak right now.

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10. Not enough information given after sooo many years (everything is done under a veil of secrecy)

If you wanna know you'll just have to read to find out =O new season just started this arc focussed around the hidden sand village the most if you ask me.
I don't mean to come off offesive or Defensive, just I had an ich to say all that, though you bring up good points its to early to assume much.

killacross · 16-10-2005, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul Fang

You being emo.

Being emo sucks.

This thread sucks.

Now go bitch some more.

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You being moron.

Being moron sucks.

Your post is pointless.

Now go away now please.

I can see now why Freak said he didnt want to post here...but anyway

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Lets see, one fight we've seen after his years of trainign with Jiraiya I find it hard to believe that Jiraiya would'nt teach him anything new though I see I am disapointed my self that Naruto is still using his old tricks but he really doens't have that much control over Kyubi so meh.

-Well...its not even a matter of him not having control over Kyuubi...but its about that when the manga first started back...when Naruto/Sakura did the bell training again...they said that Naruto has become more efficient with using his clones...so yea...you do see that...he doesnt use thousands of clones to complete the same task that he could with 10. But I mean...think back to this arc...every time he would hear Gaara's name...he would Kyuubi-fy...and then...hes completely out of control when he and Kakashi first leave the cave to pursue Deidara...then he calms down...then he loses control...then he calms down to listen to Kakashi...then he loses it again...and then Kyuubi REALLY comes out and hes lost it again until Kakashi stops him...

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Well it was an eye transplant which was suppose to act as a working eye but yeah black hole alittle to much I think it irritated me too.

Kishi doesn't use shock value, he throws clues out there for the reader to guess.

Rin transplanted it, so its safe to say she was a medial nin.

thats my point...Kakashi using black holes IS shock value...

-Gai opening 6gates and then shooting 1000000 fireballs...and then yawning after its all over IS shock value

-think about the Sasori fight...PURE shock value...

"This is the STRONGEST NINJA with the STRONGEST JUTSU in the sand EVER"
"I leveled a CASTLE with these 10 puppets"
"I destroyed an entire village with these 100 puppets"

think Naruto:
"dont use THAT jutsu"

Deidara being alive after blowing himself up...even tho he has NO hands to do seals with IS shock value...

...this doesnt provide ANY hints as to what they have learned in 2.5 years...it was all left ominous so that he could maximize the shock value. saying..."I have a jutsu that will bring anyone back to life" and then..the jutsu works isnt him giving hints as to what will happen...thats blatant...but saying "I have a new jutsu that I want to try out" and then that jutsu creates black holes IS.

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what are you reading? I can understand the aka arc cause that had very little character depth other then show how far Gaara has come in reforming himself.

-thats what I mean...no character development in this arc...just introducing a new akatsuki member showing his past...and then killing him off...isnt character dev. having a skilled old ninja speak highly of you right before you die isnt character dev.

speaking of which....Sakura gets thrown into the front lines (fighting someone well above her level) even tho she was a secondary character in the first half...all we hear about her is that "shes trained with the best"...that doesnt count as character development to me...he attempted to develop her character during the fight too...but it really took a side line to his shock value and focus on fighting...

-comparing her to the character development during fights during the first half of Naruto...it was incredibly sub-par

ex: think Rock Lee vs Gaara...(Rock Lee = my fav. character so Ill talk about him)

his flashback was about his resolve and dedication and how he would willingly risk his life to be a great ninja...his flashback also showed that Gai would dedicate his life to improving his skills...it also showed Gais words to Lee "Become a great man that I can smile on"

point of the flashback??: Gai smiles at Lee...giving him the confirmation he needs so that he could go all out against Gaara

think Naruto vs Gaara...think Hinata vs Neji...think Choji vs Jiroubo...

their character development came during a fight..and it was done well...the flash backs were incredibly useful and successfully built their character and showed their motivation...

the flash back they should during the Chiyo/Sakura vs Sasori fight was..."Sakura, a medical ninja's #1 strength is in their defensive ability (dodging)"

now...in their fight...she got better at recognizing when/where Sasoris attacks would come from..but she STILL couldnt dodge his attacks (iron sand hit her)...so I dont understand the point of that flash back...

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when you mean repetitive do you mean this?
bad guy comes, good guy wins?

-well yes...that too...with this...villains can never be taken seriously in Naruto because good guys will never die now...

but I mean...everyone ALWAYS has such a sad sad past...only strong people can have a sad
past...Haku...Kimmi...Itachi...Sasuke...Naruto...N eji....Kakashi...Sasori...Gaara...and many many more...

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THe second season basically juststarted the first arc ended lets not jump the gun yet, in the next few arcs if theres lack if innovation then I'll agree with you. (I'll still have hope but I'll agree.)

-Im hoping too...Ive said that numerous times now..that the manga SHOULD get better

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Hopfully Kakashis Sharigan will be explained, other then that I don't see any other plot holes.

-I dunno...it just doesnt seem like there would be any place for him to fit explanations about jutsu anymore...it seems like hes rushing thru the story line to get to parts that his fans care about...which is more fighting...maybe ill be wrong tho

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Well they were hyped up alot not only that I think we were shown the weakest pair Deidara and Sasori, which Deidara didn't die so theres still some hope. but yeah atm aka seems really weak right now.

If you wanna know you'll just have to read to find out =O new season just started this arc focussed around the hidden sand village the most if you ask me.
I don't mean to come off offesive or Defensive, just I had an ich to say all that, though you bring up good points its to early to assume much.

maybe you are right...maybe I am jumping to conclusions....but i dunno...Ill keep reading and deciding from there...but until then...just waiting for the next chapter and the next...

PC Chris · 16-10-2005, 05:16 AM

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-Well...its not even a matter of him not having control over Kyuubi...but its about that when the manga first started back...when Naruto/Sakura did the bell training again...they said that Naruto has become more efficient with using his clones...so yea...you do see that...he doesnt use thousands of clones to complete the same task that he could with 10. But I mean...think back to this arc...every time he would hear Gaara's name...he would Kyuubi-fy...and then...hes completely out of control when he and Kakashi first leave the cave to pursue Deidara...then he calms down...then he loses control...then he calms down to listen to Kakashi...then he loses it again...and then Kyuubi REALLY comes out and hes lost it again until Kakashi stops him...

well Gaara is like the only person whom he can relate to the fact that he was dead was like loosing a brother to him in a sense though I wouldlove to see Naurtos skill take after Jiraiya bit and maybe mix it with his own style kinda like what he did with Resangan. Bottom line He did Kyubi way to much he has been alot but he's also extreamly emotion and doesn't respond well when angery.

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thats my point...Kakashi using black holes IS shock value...

-Gai opening 6gates and then shooting 1000000 fireballs...and then yawning after its all over IS shock value

-think about the Sasori fight...PURE shock value...

"This is the STRONGEST NINJA with the STRONGEST JUTSU in the sand EVER"
"I leveled a CASTLE with these 10 puppets"
"I destroyed an entire village with these 100 puppets"

think Naruto:
"dont use THAT jutsu"

Deidara being alive after blowing himself up...even tho he has NO hands to do seals with IS shock value...

well since you put it that way, then yeah he did go for shock value there.

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...this doesnt provide ANY hints as to what they have learned in 2.5 years...it was all left ominous so that he could maximize the shock value. saying..."I have a jutsu that will bring anyone back to life" and then..the jutsu works isnt him giving hints as to what will happen...thats blatant...but saying "I have a new jutsu that I want to try out" and then that jutsu creates black holes IS.

Him having mangekyou I wouldn't mind if it wasn't such a cheap ass move I mean hell I can imagine it now when all of aka are together kakashi shows up they're all like wtf does he want he does that black hole move Oh whats this the most dangerous criminal organization bliped out of existance..<_<

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-thats what I mean...no character development in this arc...just introducing a new akatsuki member showing his past...and then killing him off...isnt character dev. having a skilled old ninja speak highly of you right before you die isnt character dev.

speaking of which....Sakura gets thrown into the front lines (fighting someone well above her level) even tho she was a secondary character in the first half...all we hear about her is that "shes trained with the best"...that doesnt count as character development to me...he attempted to develop her character during the fight too...but it really took a side line to his shock value and focus on fighting...

well Saskuras character development was little by little not liek the other characters which they would show alot at once, I use to really hate Sakura I thought she was just one of those overly emotion girls who can't do anything then during the Chuunin exam when Naruto Lee and Sasuke were all ****ed up and she had defend agaist 3 sound nins instead of sitting there and crying she actually stood up for her self(after a flash back of course) thats when I gained respect for her then after the 2.5 years of training. you see her as amedical nin yeah she's not the most nimble when it comes to dodging but what she's lacking is experence lets face it all the training in the world won't make up for experence deosn't matter how bright or skilled you are experence can't be cheated.

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-comparing her to the character development during fights during the first half of Naruto...it was incredibly sub-par

ex: think Rock Lee vs Gaara...(Rock Lee = my fav. character so Ill talk about him)

his flashback was about his resolve and dedication and how he would willingly risk his life to be a great ninja...his flashback also showed that Gai would dedicate his life to improving his skills...it also showed Gais words to Lee "Become a great man that I can smile on"

point of the flashback??: Gai smiles at Lee...giving him the confirmation he needs so that he could go all out against Gaara

think Naruto vs Gaara...think Hinata vs Neji...think Choji vs Jiroubo...

their character development came during a fight..and it was done well...the flash backs were incredibly useful and successfully built their character and showed their motivation...

the flash back they should during the Chiyo/Sakura vs Sasori fight was..."Sakura, a medical ninja's #1 strength is in their defensive ability (dodging)"

now...in their fight...she got better at recognizing when/where Sasoris attacks would come from..but she STILL couldnt dodge his attacks (iron sand hit her)...so I dont understand the point of that flash back...

Yeah in that fight Sakura seemed to forget her training though I dunno about you but I think even Lee would have a hard time dodging that IRon sand move. Like I said though she lacks the experence but has the skill.

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-well yes...that too...with this...villains can never be taken seriously in Naruto because good guys will never die now...

but I mean...everyone ALWAYS has such a sad sad past...only strong people can have a sad
past...Haku...Kimmi...Itachi...Sasuke...Naruto...N eji....Kakashi...Sasori...Gaara...and many many more...

Oro is the exception to that, I don't see itachi having a bad past since he caused it yeah alot of villians have bad pasts maybe the aka leader is just a power hungery whore who wants more power. one can only hope right?

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-I dunno...it just doesnt seem like there would be any place for him to fit explanations about jutsu anymore...it seems like hes rushing thru the story line to get to parts that his fans care about...which is more fighting...maybe ill be wrong tho

I dunno I'm still hoping Kishi hasn't sold out, artists/writters normally don't givea shit what their fans want cause they love doing what they do writting a story they want to make I still try to think that Kishi will get his act together and hold the story to a higher standard then the fighting, though if thats not the case I blame all the kids who only read manga and wtwach anime for the fightign =(

killacross · 16-10-2005, 05:20 AM

^^well it looks like we agree

we are bothing holding our breath in hopes that it will get better...so...any parts that you care to discuss?? or anyone else..

PC Chris · 16-10-2005, 05:23 AM

My only complaint is kakashis sharingan. which I think has been discussed enough =p

PC Chris · 16-10-2005, 08:38 AM

Its not that I'm bashing Naruto cause trust I Defend it alot, its just I find Kishi could have done things a little bit different. like the Deidara fight would have been really cool if he showd Naruto sporting atleast one new Jutsu, but I'll keep hoping that the next arc Kishi will get his act to gether.

freakzilla · 16-10-2005, 01:20 PM

One of my major issues:

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Hopfully Kakashis Sharigan will be explained, other then that I don't see any other plot holes.

Kakashi getting Mangekyou should kill him.
Gai opens 6 gates than doesn't break a sweat. Dude, 8 gates kills anyone, 6 should paralyze even jounins after they use it. Kishi should have held back on this and only show us 8 gates once, now that's ruined. i'm just not looking forward to it anymore.
Deidara making a clone without hand seals.
Sasori taking down the third kazekage, even if Sakura has improved, the was the strongest kazekage ever. You can say bad matchup and all you want, a high level ninja is strong because he solves his weaknesses! When you get past that it's still a grandma and Sakura. If Sasori had not beaten the third kazekage i would've accepted it, but now it's a plot hole.
Haku's speed, Sasuke with a highly primitive sharingan could see Haku but gets owned by Lee. Yet later Sasuke gains Lee's speed and you ask us to believe Haku could've beaten Kakashi? IMO Haku is low-chuunin level when you take all that in consideration.
Why create an ANBU squad when it's as strong as a regular jounin?
Kabuto not having enough chakra to regenerate from the rasengan, but sommons Manda shortly afterwards.
Chouji's red pill doesn't kill

there are more mistakes, but these are the ones that gave us plot holes

TheWicked · 16-10-2005, 02:41 PM

Actually, there's ONE thing I'd like to complain about, no make it two things.

1) Kawarimi. Anyone would be capable of using this to avoid blows ALL THE TIME, yet somehow it is not used that often. It also can be used to escape prisons, being tied down or other situations (just switch yourself with a nearby object that is free). It's a stupid jutsu that has never been actually explained in "technical" terms (how it works with the chakra and all).

It also can probably be used for extremely fast transportation (just keep switching your position constantly with different objects along your path, it's like many short-range teleports).

And in group battles, you can ALWAYS switch yourself with one of your enemies when you're about to get hit (Kakashi switching with Naruto's Kage Bunshin anyone?).

I know this jutsu is not unique to Naruto and it probably has something to do with Japanese mythology, but as far as the structure of the Naruto Universe goes, it sucks.

2) Those clones near the Akatsuki hideout. They could actually duplicate every jutsu team Gai had, including bloodline limits. They also posed a significant challenge to the originals and tied them down significantly. An army of Gai's and Neji's anyone?

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killacross · 16-10-2005, 02:55 PM

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Not even one of those is a plothole, but since this thread is only for bitching and not for debating the issue, I'll refrain from elaborating.

^^EXCELLENT JOB TheWicked!!!

You read...and followed directions...and and...it was just beautiful...

anyway...yea...there are a lot of things that dont really get the explanation they need...like why is Kage Bunshin a forbidden jutsu??(first chapter)

I had a complaint about the clones that Team Gai fought too...

it just doesnt make sense to me mathematically...lemme see if you all follow...whereas other people couldnt...

Theoretically, the creator or the clones would be at peak health...100% chakra

Now creating REAL clones takes a significat amount of chakra....so basically your chakra is divided between the clones (explained from the 3rd vs Orochimaru, which makes Naruto creating wave after wave of thousands of clones ****ing ridiculous...chakra whore or not)

So..anyway...the creator had 100% chakra that he used to create 4 clones (1for Lee, Gai, Neji, Tenten) BUT he would have to keep some chakra for himself so that he wouldnt die (explained from the and the Naruto/Sasuke tree training and the Jiriaya/Naruto training).

so...100%(originally) - 1% (so he would live) = 99%

99% (remaining) divided 4ways (for every clone) = 24.75% chakra per clone

I find it hard to believe that Sakura/Chiyo and Kakashi/Naruto can win against Akatsuki with 100%...people that are supposed to be 100000x better than them in a 1-on-1 fight...yet people like Rock Lee, Neji, and Gai cant beat a MUCH weaker version of themselves. Even if they DID have the same moves and jutsus as them...they shouldnt have the same endurance.

killacross · 16-10-2005, 08:07 PM

^^but when you complain that you are wasting your time here...why come back, waste your time, and it IS YOUR time....just to say that you have a right to waste your time?? sounds kinda counterintuitive to me...

anyway...I was just kinda curious about peoples' take on this....they claimed that the Sharingan eye evolved from the Byakugan eye...my thing is...yet why doesnt the Byakugan eye shoot out any projectiles, create any genjutsus??...or am I just jumping to conclusions again?

KyubiItachi · 18-10-2005, 03:33 AM

Anyways.. I can tolerate most of the odd crap that happens in this manga but the most irritating of them all is..

THE KATON JUTSUS.. These are the stupidest pieces of junk.. IM so sick and tired of sasuke doin katons.. they NEVER i repeat NEVER hurt his opponents.. Usually when you breathe ****in fire, the person gets burned and dies, or severly injured. But thats not the case with sasuke. He just breathes fire and it does nothing. I think he took out some naruto clones, but i wanna see some charred. Either he needs to learn how to do some real damaging fire moves or just quit it. Breathing fire was bad ass the first 100 times he did it, but you knew it never was going to hurt anyone.

Oh and Im still mad that chouji's fat ass is alive. He should of bit the dust, no questions asked.

18-10-2005, 03:35 AM

Agreed..^

PC Chris · 18-10-2005, 05:44 AM

Sasuke vs Oro he did that dragon fire jutsu and burned through part of his extrenal skin, when Sasuke first unleashed his cursed seal against that sound nin he hid shurikins in the fire and then hit that guy (man I need to remember these names =/) <--- that was an indirect hit but it was semi successful. if I recall correctly when Sasuke did that fire dragon jutsu again he did against Naruto and Naruto charged out of it I think he was a little damaged.

I have no problem saying I'm a fanboy. the defination of fanboy often times gets mixed up with the obsessors I don't mean ones that go on the forum and debate about it I mean people who psycotically obsessed..<_<

Dax · 19-10-2005, 06:20 PM

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killacross · 21-10-2005, 10:05 PM

the newest chapter(281) made me kinda think, Deidara's arm was still intact after Kakashi blew it off...as a matter of fact...he even picked it up and probably will get it reattached later on...we just wont see. Anyway...that would mean that the real Deidara was still on the chocobo when Kakashi/Naruto attacked...and that he didnt make a clone until AFTER he went into hiding...which was possibly sometime as he was falling to the ground.

And has anyone noticed that Kishimoto HASNT explained ANYTHING that just happened w/ this sub-arc?? No explanation about how Kakashi got Mangekyou, no explanation about how Naruto trained to release more Kyuubi tails, no explanation about how Jiriaiya's seal works, no explanation about Akatsuki, no explanation about their goals, no explanation about their reaction to Sasori dying, no explanation about why Zetsu eats people, no glimpse into any more Akatsuki characters, no explanation about how Tobi will enter Akatsuki now, no explanation about how Deidara survived/escaped the fight. He didnt even have anything to show the peoples reaction to Gaara after he died protecting them...only a few Kazekage fangirls. No talk about the sound spy...no talk about that at all

...instead we meet a new character. Now of course this character is supposed to be super strong/cunning and all that...which means that she had a sad sad past...Ill predict that her parents abandoned her/she was orphaned and no one loved her. The old man found her, took her in a trained her. So now shes super strong and so Naruto will be the one to defeat her (with the help of Kyuubi cuz thats all he knows) and this old man is the man that she cherishes sooo much and is willing to die for....of course after Naruto beats her...hell give her some lame line that makes her get BIG TEARY eyes and then she decides to not kill Naruto and returns to the old man failing her mission. The old man then kills/attacks her and she dies a sad sad lonely death after realizing...he didnt care about her at all. (kinda like the Zabuza/Haku arc except that Zabuza pwnd and he wasnt a heartless asshole)

anyway....instead of ANY explanations, we see Kishi try to make a clown of Gai and Rock Lee...hop on my back

instead we see him show the "funny" side of Akatsuki (which I kinda liked...not all murder everyone all the time)

all that said tho....THANK GOD we are moving past this Akatsuki-arc because I felt it was the WORST sub-arc in Naruto so far. I cant think of any other arc that bothered me as much as this one.

I particularly didnt like the Kakashi/Obito arc, but I found Obito to be an enjoyable character...so it didnt REALLY bother me as much as I thought...but the way that they tried to right off Team Gai on this arc REAAAALLLY bothered me...especially since Team Gai would wipe Naruto's team out before the jump...and definitely after(that is of course if Kakashi doesnt make a black hole around all of them when they are not looking)

15-10-2005, 06:35 AM	#2
killacross Medical-nin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 804 Rep Power: 18	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread OK...Ill start I guess because no one else is here...and so many places to begin...I guess Ill start with the latest chapter...Deidara is alive...and used a doton jutsu that hid him deep within the ground... that would be all well and good if http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=10243 http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=12996 Deidara still had arms that worked...even ONE arm that worked...Blatant oversite on Kishi's part. Last edited by killacross; 15-10-2005 at 08:04 AM.

15-10-2005, 03:30 PM	#3
killacross Medical-nin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 804 Rep Power: 18	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread ^^I know she does...thats why I love her like that....she bakes me up something nice every night OT: I guess people are scared to actually post in a thread that says that they dont like parts of Naruto...thats just so sad to me cuz I KNOW you all are out there...but maybe with a little more time this thread will actually come to life...

15-10-2005, 05:43 PM	#4
Rurouni272000 ANBU Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mexi--I mean, Hueco Mundo Posts: 1,372 My Mood: Rep Power: 15	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread Could you give a list of specific things you would personally like to bash? I'm curious.

16-10-2005, 03:35 AM	#5
killacross Medical-nin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 804 Rep Power: 18	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread the first 10 that come to mind (for the more recent chapters) ^^1. Naruto not having any skills besides Kyuubi 2. Kakashi making black holes & Kakashi creating a bloodline limit for a bloodline limit that isnt his 3. Lack of story telling for shock value 4. Kakashi/Obito eye transplant-no-jutsu 5. Lack of character development 6. Repetitive story lines 7. Lack of innovation in fights 8. Plot Holes 9. Akatsuki's weakness 10. Not enough information given after sooo many years (everything is done under a veil of secrecy) and of course...any that you would personally want to discuss (if I missed something) is fine...

16-10-2005, 05:20 AM	#9
killacross Medical-nin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 804 Rep Power: 18	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread ^^well it looks like we agree we are bothing holding our breath in hopes that it will get better...so...any parts that you care to discuss?? or anyone else..

15-10-2005, 06:32 AM	#1
killacross Medical-nin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 804 Rep Power: 18	The Naruto Manga discussion Thread EDIT by ApackOf12Ninja This thread is now for Dicussion of the Naruto Manga series as a whole. It is also a place to bash and defend the series for all members. Please keep in mind that all regular NarutoMania rules apply. -Apackof12ninja Naruto Section Moderator Last edited by killacross; 16-10-2005 at 02:37 PM.

16-10-2005, 05:23 AM	#10
PC Chris Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,675 My Mood: Rep Power: 29	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread My only complaint is kakashis sharingan. which I think has been discussed enough =p __________________ If want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face…FOREVER!- Nineteen Eighty-Four A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. -random buddy.

16-10-2005, 08:38 AM	#11
PC Chris Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,675 My Mood: Rep Power: 29	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread Its not that I'm bashing Naruto cause trust I Defend it alot, its just I find Kishi could have done things a little bit different. like the Deidara fight would have been really cool if he showd Naruto sporting atleast one new Jutsu, but I'll keep hoping that the next arc Kishi will get his act to gether. __________________ If want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face…FOREVER!- Nineteen Eighty-Four A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. -random buddy.

16-10-2005, 02:41 PM	#13
TheWicked Genin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Israel Posts: 153 Rep Power: 13	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread Actually, there's ONE thing I'd like to complain about, no make it two things. 1) Kawarimi. Anyone would be capable of using this to avoid blows ALL THE TIME, yet somehow it is not used that often. It also can be used to escape prisons, being tied down or other situations (just switch yourself with a nearby object that is free). It's a stupid jutsu that has never been actually explained in "technical" terms (how it works with the chakra and all). It also can probably be used for extremely fast transportation (just keep switching your position constantly with different objects along your path, it's like many short-range teleports). And in group battles, you can ALWAYS switch yourself with one of your enemies when you're about to get hit (Kakashi switching with Naruto's Kage Bunshin anyone?). I know this jutsu is not unique to Naruto and it probably has something to do with Japanese mythology, but as far as the structure of the Naruto Universe goes, it sucks. 2) Those clones near the Akatsuki hideout. They could actually duplicate every jutsu team Gai had, including bloodline limits. They also posed a significant challenge to the originals and tied them down significantly. An army of Gai's and Neji's anyone? neaky2: __________________

16-10-2005, 08:07 PM	#15
killacross Medical-nin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 804 Rep Power: 18	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread ^^but when you complain that you are wasting your time here...why come back, waste your time, and it IS YOUR time....just to say that you have a right to waste your time?? sounds kinda counterintuitive to me... anyway...I was just kinda curious about peoples' take on this....they claimed that the Sharingan eye evolved from the Byakugan eye...my thing is...yet why doesnt the Byakugan eye shoot out any projectiles, create any genjutsus??...or am I just jumping to conclusions again?

18-10-2005, 03:33 AM	#16
KyubiItachi Medical-nin Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 677 Rep Power: 17	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread Anyways.. I can tolerate most of the odd crap that happens in this manga but the most irritating of them all is.. THE KATON JUTSUS.. These are the stupidest pieces of junk.. IM so sick and tired of sasuke doin katons.. they NEVER i repeat NEVER hurt his opponents.. Usually when you breathe ****in fire, the person gets burned and dies, or severly injured. But thats not the case with sasuke. He just breathes fire and it does nothing. I think he took out some naruto clones, but i wanna see some charred. Either he needs to learn how to do some real damaging fire moves or just quit it. Breathing fire was bad ass the first 100 times he did it, but you knew it never was going to hurt anyone. Oh and Im still mad that chouji's fat ass is alive. He should of bit the dust, no questions asked. __________________ PHOTOSHOP RASENGAN NO JUTSU!

18-10-2005, 03:35 AM	#17
Senso Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread Agreed..^

18-10-2005, 05:44 AM	#18
PC Chris Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,675 My Mood: Rep Power: 29	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread Sasuke vs Oro he did that dragon fire jutsu and burned through part of his extrenal skin, when Sasuke first unleashed his cursed seal against that sound nin he hid shurikins in the fire and then hit that guy (man I need to remember these names =/) <--- that was an indirect hit but it was semi successful. if I recall correctly when Sasuke did that fire dragon jutsu again he did against Naruto and Naruto charged out of it I think he was a little damaged. I have no problem saying I'm a fanboy. the defination of fanboy often times gets mixed up with the obsessors I don't mean ones that go on the forum and debate about it I mean people who psycotically obsessed..<_<

21-10-2005, 10:05 PM	#20
killacross Medical-nin Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 804 Rep Power: 18	Re: The Naruto Discussion (BASHING) Thread the newest chapter(281) made me kinda think, Deidara's arm was still intact after Kakashi blew it off...as a matter of fact...he even picked it up and probably will get it reattached later on...we just wont see. Anyway...that would mean that the real Deidara was still on the chocobo when Kakashi/Naruto attacked...and that he didnt make a clone until AFTER he went into hiding...which was possibly sometime as he was falling to the ground. And has anyone noticed that Kishimoto HASNT explained ANYTHING that just happened w/ this sub-arc?? No explanation about how Kakashi got Mangekyou, no explanation about how Naruto trained to release more Kyuubi tails, no explanation about how Jiriaiya's seal works, no explanation about Akatsuki, no explanation about their goals, no explanation about their reaction to Sasori dying, no explanation about why Zetsu eats people, no glimpse into any more Akatsuki characters, no explanation about how Tobi will enter Akatsuki now, no explanation about how Deidara survived/escaped the fight. He didnt even have anything to show the peoples reaction to Gaara after he died protecting them...only a few Kazekage fangirls. No talk about the sound spy...no talk about that at all ...instead we meet a new character. Now of course this character is supposed to be super strong/cunning and all that...which means that she had a sad sad past...Ill predict that her parents abandoned her/she was orphaned and no one loved her. The old man found her, took her in a trained her. So now shes super strong and so Naruto will be the one to defeat her (with the help of Kyuubi cuz thats all he knows) and this old man is the man that she cherishes sooo much and is willing to die for....of course after Naruto beats her...hell give her some lame line that makes her get BIG TEARY eyes and then she decides to not kill Naruto and returns to the old man failing her mission. The old man then kills/attacks her and she dies a sad sad lonely death after realizing...he didnt care about her at all. (kinda like the Zabuza/Haku arc except that Zabuza pwnd and he wasnt a heartless asshole) anyway....instead of ANY explanations, we see Kishi try to make a clown of Gai and Rock Lee...hop on my back instead we see him show the "funny" side of Akatsuki (which I kinda liked...not all murder everyone all the time) all that said tho....THANK GOD we are moving past this Akatsuki-arc because I felt it was the WORST sub-arc in Naruto so far. I cant think of any other arc that bothered me as much as this one. I particularly didnt like the Kakashi/Obito arc, but I found Obito to be an enjoyable character...so it didnt REALLY bother me as much as I thought...but the way that they tried to right off Team Gai on this arc REAAAALLLY bothered me...especially since Team Gai would wipe Naruto's team out before the jump...and definitely after(that is of course if Kakashi doesnt make a black hole around all of them when they are not looking)