The Official Tobi discussion thread

[Mossarelli]

Why wouldn't a guy that got a pole smashed into his face look like Tobi after a surgery? Why does Tobi have a sharingan just like Obito? Why does the name Tobi have the same letters as in Obito? Those facts are clear to me.

[Evil Sannin]

i'm just glad the unknown member turned out to be Tobi b/c it was soo obvious and it also proved a lot of people wrong that thought the idea of the shadow being Tobi to be soo dumb...yeah look at you all now!!!

[m c drew]

one thing i would like to ask is if tobi was wearing a mask and was disrespect by pein when he said we can find someone at that lv anytime r u guys telling me we can find somone at mandara's lv anytime. and another thing tobi was wearing a mask wat if the new guy madarra is also wearing a mask and its not actually tobi what if tobi really did die and this is not him. think about the last 3 chapters dont u guys think that alot of things have been shown a little too close or soon like the leader the girl and now mandara and all that in 2-3 chapters kanda makes no sense to me but dont u think the girl should have been shown first then the leader then mandarra later in the chapters

[Evil Sannin]

Originally Posted by m c drew

one thing i would like to ask is if tobi was wearing a mask and was disrespect by pein when he said we can find someone at that lv anytime r u guys telling me we can find somone at mandara's lv anytime. and another thing tobi was wearing a mask wat if the new guy madarra is also wearing a mask and its not actually tobi what if tobi really did die and this is not him. think about the last 3 chapters dont u guys think that alot of things have been shown a little too close or soon like the leader the girl and now mandara and all that in 2-3 chapters kanda makes no sense to me but dont u think the girl should have been shown first then the leader then mandarra later in the chapters

I think he said that just b/c the members all thought he was a joke however knowing in the back of his head Tobi was really wearing the big draws. Just something to give them to think about.

[PC Chris]

Originally Posted by Keeth

If it isn't Obito (hello, Tobi is spelled with the same kanji as Obito in reverse), the only logical explanation is that he's being possessed by someone or something.

Anyway, I just finished reading the chapter about 30 minutes ago.
Here's a minor color, cause Tobi was looking cool.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1428/tobigy2.png

why is it because their names are very similar they have to be the same person? >_>

[m c drew]

Originally Posted by Evil Sannin

I think he said that just b/c the members all thought he was a joke however knowing in the back of his head Tobi was really wearing the big draws. Just something to give them to think about.

but still if i know ur my leader i would never say that cause obviously u will poon me. i will show alot more respect to u than wat they r giving tobi

[Didi]

Originally Posted by zsladexx

why is it because their names are very similar they have to be the same person? >_>

If that was true I'd be Diana Ross!

Yeah, just because their names are similar means nothing, and Obito would have no eyes, since one eye was crushed by the boulder, and Kakashi got the other. Besides, he had at least one eye from the picture.

I believe he's Madara Uchiha.

[Evil Sannin]

Originally Posted by m c drew

but still if i know ur my leader i would never say that cause obviously u will poon me. i will show alot more respect to u than wat they r giving tobi

True however i'm sure Tobi allows this b/c he obviously has plans for his fellow uchiha clan members so "tobi" being out of their hair i'm pretty sure is no biggie to him. And Pein saying stuff like that just says okay he was cool but we don't have to worry about him no more he's expendable just to keep them focused on the task at hand.

[m c drew]

ok but mandarra seem to be the dark type tobi is the type that will make u laughg and look at this if tobi was the leader y the hell hide it until now makes no sence watsoever

[Didi]

Originally Posted by m c drew

ok but mandarra seem to be the dark type tobi is the type that will make u laughg and look at this if tobi was the leader y the hell hide it until now makes no sence watsoever

There was no previous information about Madara, the Kyubi only talked about him once, and before this chapter that was the only time his name was ever mentioned. So we don't know about his personality.

[PC Chris]

Originally Posted by Didi101

If that was true I'd be Diana Ross!

Yeah, just because their names are similar means nothing, and Obito would have no eyes, since one eye was crushed by the boulder, and Kakashi got the other. Besides, he had at least one eye from the picture.

I believe he's Madara Uchiha.

Just to point out, he said his body was almost completely crushed. but yeah I belief his other eye would be rendered useless. >_>

[Mussop]

Dont you think the mask of tobi looks like the warp technique of hakate kakashi's mangekyou sharingan?

[Im Wright]

We've discussed this in 3 almost 4 previous thread's and my conclusion is that Tobi is Obito. Madara WAS the primary user of the MS and he did something thus allowing three others to have it also dividing his power. The three were Itachi, Sasuke and Obito. Obito Some how survived and now hide's his good eye in the mask. Kakashi has his other eye thus making him capable of using the MS.

Tobi has a machine in which he needs all three MS user's including himself to gain the ultimate MS which was madara's powers. So he meets Pein and tells him how he can help out with controling the bijuu but he needs Itachi. Pein understands and takes the Kyuubi job from Itachi. Sends Tobi and DD to fight Sasuke so Tobi can measure his potiential.

Now all Tobi needs to do is get Sasuke and Itachi to fight and tire each other out enough to take advantage of them. And as far as Kakashi goes he'll have to get that eye back. That my theory and I'm sticking to it until proven wrong.

[Maro]

Originally Posted by Raikage Shinta

We've discussed this in 3 almost 4 previous thread's and my conclusion is that Tobi is Obito. Madara WAS the primary user of the MS and he did something thus allowing three others to have it also dividing his power. The three were Itachi, Sasuke and Obito. Obito Some how survived and now hide's his good eye in the mask. Kakashi has his other eye thus making him capable of using the MS.

Ok... 3 users....

1. ITACHI
2. SASUKE (hadn't got it yet but Itachi was inculding him)
3. KAKASHI

Its not that hard to figure the 3 users who could've possibly unlocked MS would be Itachi (who had it), Sasuke (who he was adressing), and Kakashi (who had a sharingan at the time, as Itachi knew, and as we know he did eventually get it).

So NEITHER madara or obito should be considered the '3rd user'. The 3rd user probably isnt even important, Itachi was just speaking statistically for dramatic effect that only 3 ninja were left with the ability to unlock the MS (that ability would be the sharingan, as a sharingan is obviously a necessary for the MS).

And it really doesnt make sense that the sharingan in Tobi's head (if he was Obito) would still be linked to Kakashi's sharingan: as they both draw off of seperate chakra sources so how could one control/effect the other?



Tobi's identity is another question.. hmm.. a tough question lol
Well I'd say as of now he's Madara. Like Cane, pointed out Tobi is more than likely reffering to himself in 3rd person. Either that or he thinks he's madara (or his reincarnation or something like that).

[Im Wright]

Orochimaru would preserve my theory as far as Obito's death. but I don't really care anymore.

I'm no longer discussing this. I agree to disagree. All I can do now is for wait what seems to be the longest week ever and see. So for all who believes its a new character or Madara so be it. But I'm not sold until proven otherwise.

[PC Chris]

There was a long argument about kakashi being the 3rd but its argued simply because Itachi didn't know Kakashi was able to do so. Thats why he seemed suprised by Kakashis intimate knowledge in the MS.

[Maro]

Originally Posted by zsladexx

There was a long argument about kakashi being the 3rd but its argued simply because Itachi didn't know Kakashi was able to do so. Thats why he seemed suprised by Kakashis intimate knowledge in the MS.

That's foolish to make such a huge assumption. Itachi is the one who is our source of knowledge on the MS. If anyone, he should know about the requirements and details of the MS.

So here are the simple facts:
1. At the time Itachi made that statement which was more or less "there are 3 people who have the ability to gain MS".
2. One of these people is obviously Itachi (as he just revealed his use of the MS), and the another is Sasuke (as he is telling Sasuke he can get the MS).
3. That would mean Itachi knew of ONLY one other person who could get the MS. Thinking logically, Itachi was an ANBU in Konoha and Kakashi had had the Sharingan for at least 7-8 years by that time.

Does it make sense that itachi would completely omit Kakashi from that list?

And Itachi's shock could easily have been that Kakashi knew so much about the MS after only witnessing it 1 time. Or surprise that Kakashi was able to unlock the MS without killing his best friend. It could be anything, the point is that the only reason to dismiss kakashi would be if you make the assumption that Itachi thought MS was attainable only to Uchiha's. However that's a big assumption and without it the case against Kakashi being the 3rd user falls apart.

[burningzeroX]

The way I see it is that Tobi does =Madara, but I sure as hell don't want him to be Madara. It just sounds like that, but I'm sick of all powerful Uchihas at the moment.

[Sdsky]

i dont think he is madara.......i think got "madara's powers",that mean...MS....well.just my opinion....ause he said "the true power of the sharingan"(something like this)..
OR.....he "copy" sasuke powers.....think about it...all the time he was there he was copying sasuke kekkei genkai...


well....i do believe he's not madara.....IF he was...he woudnt say things like that....for me that was like "my new power"....

[ultirenegade]

tobi=madara

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i trust brucelee to be correct.