Senjutsu users immune from genjutsu?

[IonRom]

Originally Posted by NarutoSamaman

What i didn't understand was how the bijuu managed to break the Tsukiyomi(ie: how an internal source using its own chakra is any diff from an external party doing the same thing) as Tsukiyomi cannot be repelled via a friend saving the person who's trapped in the genjutsu.

You' re wrong TS is a genjutsu based technique and so like genjutsu it' s still can be broken. Hachibi told the 8 Tails to release chakra into his system. 8 Tails chakra affected his flow because like Naruto their chakras combine but are still diferinted. Think like this: the convergence point of two rivers one blue that runs of the left and a red (more powerful) on on the right but it' s has dam ahead of the point. From the convergence the flow\ path of the merged river follow the blue one' s path. Hachibi released the dam and the red one disrupted by his force the blue one' s path at the convergence point.
Don' t believe the Uchiha clan bostering about their abilities, techniques it' s just propaganda.
I agree with ifeanyi84 and Judgement that Senjutsu isn' t different chakra just normal chakra on steroids (actually nature energy): Pa frog explain that Senjutsu is the chakra of the user with only a increased level of nature part of chakra. Also Pa or Jirayia didn' t mention that Senjutsu equals Genjutsu imunity. Pa said that only that Senjutsu would increase the power of his Genjutsu.

[votehill4pres]

gosh can u imagine ts powered by senjutsu, scary

[ifeanyi84]

Originally Posted by NarutoSamaman

What i didn't understand was how the bijuu managed to break the Tsukiyomi(ie: how an internal source using its own chakra is any diff from an external party doing the same thing) as Tsukiyomi cannot be repelled via a friend saving the person who's trapped in the genjutsu.

the only reason that tsukyomi cant be repelled by a friend is because from the friend's point of view, the jutsu appears to affect you in an instant. this isnt an issue for a jinchuriki and its bijuu. from the point of view of the person affected, the jutsu can actually seem to take a very long time. during that time, a person like the killer bee who is in tune with his bijuu can just use the bijuu's chakra to disrupt the genjutsu.

Originally Posted by Gathan

Exactly, he know he was in a genjutsu so he told his bijuu to disrupt his chakra.

Being sentient has nothing to do with disrupting the chakra flow, all you need is a another source of chakra besides your own to break the genjutsu.
I see no reason why senjutsu wouldn't work since it is another that isn't under control of the genjutsu and those could be used to break it by disrupting the flow.

senjutsu isnt separate chakra. it's just new stronger chakra. i could see if you wanted to argue that the chakra would be harder to disrupt becaue the chakra is stronger, but it's not a separate chakra so it's not gonna be used for genjutsu immunity by disrupting the chakra flow

[The stig]

Correction, the magnitude of chakra, or the quality of chakra has nothing to do with it.

Lol, yeah, my mistake.

Got puzzled there.

[Sdsky]

Originally Posted by ifeanyi84

senjutsu isnt separate chakra. it's just new stronger chakra. i could see if you wanted to argue that the chakra would be harder to disrupt becaue the chakra is stronger, but it's not a separate chakra so it's not gonna be used for genjutsu immunity by disrupting the chakra flow

acctually it does seems to be a different kind of chakra..the jutsus(senjutsu) may be yours...but the chakra is from nature,so it is like and "outter source" of chakra...

but,since im not sure wheter you can see or not (the nature chakra) while on genjutsu,u may not be able to escape using it...but hey,u always have that "Shadow jutsu" (1st i think) that pretty much makes sharingan useless..even amaterasu and TS(cause youhave to see ur target)

[SHADENINJA]

Basicly

No a senjutsu user would not be immune from genjutsu like a jinchuuriki could be immune from genjutsu because while jinchuuriki have two seperate reserves of chakra, two flows of chakra, and two conciousnesses controlling these chakra, senjutsu users (while they have more than one source of chakra) have only a single flow of chakra, and only one conciousness.

Naruto is the exception because now he is learning to use senjutu, but is also a jinchuuriki

[Soph_dre]

I can see how Naruto might become immune to Genjutsu. Where he doesn't have the intellectual capabilities to combat genjutsu, his chakra alone is enormous. Add the kyuubi and senjutsu, he should be able to cancel the strongest illusions with ease using the method Jiraiya taught him.

However, as for Senjutsu being a seperate chakra in the capacity of a Biju, I'm still researching.

[CallenKtulu22]

MS gentjutsu is different from what itachi did to naruto. naruto was caught in an entirely different jutsu and that is why sakura and chiyo could snap him out of it. when kakashi was trapped in the MS genjutsu a few seconds was an eternity. he should have died really. so tsukyomi would be inafective against the typical dispellment of genjutsu. the only way you would have time to free yourself is if you did it. noone else could react fast enough. if you can use senjutsu wouldn't that make u able to see/control nature's energy around you and in turn could you dispell the genjutsu user's chakra/jutsu and free yourself?the two ways to break a genjutsu would be to either you are affected by soemthing to dispell it or the user is affected. so i think it is very plausible that a senjutsu user could do something more affectively than a non-user to break a genjutsu and could even be (not immune but) strongly resistant to it.

[Hoptam]

I wouldnt say immune but should be able to cansel it much easyer as senjudsu master. By the statement that Gama made - you have to 'die' to be able to feel natural energy he could simply ment to stop move and with that even to stop the chakra flow - if thats the case then senjudsu master can dispel any genjutsu the way Naruto was taught by Jman

[ifeanyi84]

Originally Posted by Sdsky

acctually it does seems to be a different kind of chakra..the jutsus(senjutsu) may be yours...but the chakra is from nature,so it is like and "outter source" of chakra...

but,since im not sure wheter you can see or not (the nature chakra) while on genjutsu,u may not be able to escape using it...but hey,u always have that "Shadow jutsu" (1st i think) that pretty much makes sharingan useless..even amaterasu and TS(cause youhave to see ur target)

the chakra is not from nature. it's a different kind of chakra, but not from a different source. i tried to put these images in the last post, but they didnt show in the message.

[Soph_dre]

Originally Posted by Hoptam

I wouldnt say immune but should be able to cansel it much easyer as senjudsu master. By the statement that Gama made - you have to 'die' to be able to feel natural energy he could simply ment to stop move and with that even to stop the chakra flow - if thats the case then senjudsu master can dispel any genjutsu the way Naruto was taught by Jman

Now this I can agree with. I would not say immune, but it would be MUCH easier to directly dispell most genjutsu. After reading chapter 409 and 410, I'm convinced that Natural Chakra can work in the same capacity as a biju.

[RiZn]

well if you guys remember.. being touched by a foreign chakra is not the only way to dispell genjutsu..

having a mass amount a chakra, and busting your way out is a possibility..

considering that senjutsu is gathering chakra from your surroundings.. then that means chakra is unlimited.. it's an unlimited resource- (that was my speculation, not fact) if that's the case then if you ask me.. it's greater than possessing a bijuu-

genjutsu would not work if naruto is able to use senjutsu correctly-

[ifeanyi84]

when was it ever said that you could break out of genjutsu that way?

[Soph_dre]

Originally Posted by RiZn

well if you guys remember.. being touched by a foreign chakra is not the only way to dispell genjutsu..

having a mass amount a chakra, and busting your way out is a possibility..

considering that senjutsu is gathering chakra from your surroundings.. then that means chakra is unlimited.. it's an unlimited resource- (that was my speculation, not fact) if that's the case then if you ask me.. it's greater than possessing a bijuu-

genjutsu would not work if naruto is able to use senjutsu correctly-

Theoretically, you might be correct in regard to an unlimited resource. However, when the senjutsu user loses stamina and spirit as a battle wears down, they lose chakra like anybody else. After that, senjutsu can still act as an amplifier, but it becomes more like a stronger rubberband for a sling-shot.

[JD]

when you use immune its a big word i think that naruto will never be immune to genjutsu. I don't even think that he will be able to dispell it easy first it would be hella hard fornaruto to communicate with the 9-tails given its attitude so that counts out the bijuu way and with senjutsu like said previously chakra doesn't have it's own concious so it could not break out of a genjutsu alone it would be different if it was like bleach and you could totally destroy illusions with a large burst of spiritual pressure

[kuku4life]

i think people have forgotten that to use senjutsu, you have to used your own chakara as well.. It was indirectly explained when toad pa said not every one can used senjutsu and the only people that can use it needs to have it's own large reserve of chakara. I think you may have to use ur own chakara to draw in the nature chakara. It sort of makes sense, because that puts a cap limit on the amount of nature chakra you can use or you can just abused the nature chakara and have limitless chakra. ALl and all, once your got trap in a powerful gengutsu, you probably won't have control of your own chakra to do anything, let alone using senjutsu.

[DemiGod.PBm]

Immune = the ability to resist an attack, which is what was displayed by Kirabi, so I don't think it's too strong a word to use. But fine, 'high resistance' to genjutsu.

Originally Posted by ifeanyi84

the chakra is not from nature. it's a different kind of chakra, but not from a different source. i tried to put these images in the last post, but they didnt show in the message.

So then what would the attacker be controlling if the original chakra has changed into something completely different?

Originally Posted by kuku4life

ALl and all, once your got trap in a powerful gengutsu, you probably won't have control of your own chakra to do anything, let alone using senjutsu.

Do mean like the time when Shikamaru was trapped in Tayuya's genjutsu, but still managed to use shadow bind? Or how Sasuke was able to activate his CS2 to fight Itachi?

[lWildfirel]

You guys are way out of topic. It has already been answered, NO. As much as I hate to admit it, no one is immune. End of conversation

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[jetcollins]

I would say that learning senjutsu would help Naruto brake genjutsu if trained right. As people have said senjutsu is a Natural basied chakra and even though the user has to control it I think if the user is already using Senjutsu when Genjutsu is cast on them the user if trained correctly could brake out of the Genjustu easier. The reason why I think this is because the user would have the additional chakra being contoled at the time and the person casting the Genjustu may not sence the 2 chakras and there for the sejutsu user "might" be able to use that natural chakra to brake the Genjutsu.

[DemiGod.PBm]

Originally Posted by lWildfirel

You guys are way out of topic. It has already been answered, NO. As much as I hate to admit it, no one is immune. End of conversation

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How does your post contribute to the debate?

Since Shodai Hokage seemed to do just fine, against possibly the greatest genjutsu user... I think it's fair to assume that there's an exception to every rule.