Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"?

Yedi · 23-06-2008, 09:06 PM

I have been thinking for this a while. Is there really a pure christian/muslim out there, which believe in the bible completly? The only thing my "religious" friends have told me is about how good god is, not about his way to get pleasure from killing people. So what do you think? is there anyone "pure" out there?

ACCUNE · 23-06-2008, 09:26 PM

My point of view as a Christian is that we as Christians are only "pure" by the grace of God.As for following the bible perfectly,we try our best to live by the teachings in it.Each one of us have an area in our life that needs improvement and we stumble sometimes,but we repent(true) and press on.

Azn · 23-06-2008, 09:27 PM

Well the way I imagine it, the people that believe in the bible and god completely, like no joke, are overzealous on subjects (gay marriage, abortion, etc.). We've seen the news. There are people like that, but you can't be perfect and be a 100% pure christian/muslim. Your always breaking one if your following another.

**Syfer Van Hyden** · 23-06-2008, 09:40 PM

There is no such thing as a PURE Muslim/Christian. Sure im a Muslim, pray 5times a day, fast, give to the poor when the opportunity comes, etc. though i do admit that i commit sins, many times i commit serious ones. Like many of u said/know, humans were never built to perfection, we ALL have flaws. I think that this topic has been beaten to death many many times, there r no "pure" christians/muslims, but r there any devoted ones? Yes, but it doesnt mean that theyr "pure" so no.

Yedi · 23-06-2008, 10:21 PM

You say that humans aren't perfect? -.- according to the book we were created in an image of a god, which is perfect, aka it would make us "perfect". And if you even break one off the rules you will come down to hell, well at least according to the "rules".

**Syfer Van Hyden** · 23-06-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Yedi

You say that humans aren't perfect? -.- according to the book we were created in an image of a god, which is perfect, aka it would make us "perfect". And if you even break one off the rules you will come down to hell, well at least according to the "rules".

Uv got it completely wrong. Sure we were created by the divine God/Allah, but we were never made to perfection. Do u honestly think that we humans r perfect? I highly doubt that. And nowhere in any monotheistic religious book does it say/imply that humans were created to perfection, nor does it even say/imply that if we go against the fact that wer perfect, we would go to hell, that's the whole idea, we r imperfect, period.

Evil_Ryu · 23-06-2008, 10:35 PM

I agree with Wesker and ACCUNE. We (at least some of us

) try to make the best out of it and follow the rules and principles, but we do commit bad deeds, sure! So, we're not perfect. Im also a Muslim and i DOUBT that i know of any 100% pure Muslim or Christian, every1 does something bad ONCE in a while if that person was REALLY disciplined.

Azn · 23-06-2008, 10:37 PM

Yea it specifically say we're all sinners, so thinking your perfect is already a sin. It's a hard thing to become a devote pure christion

~~Cane_The9lives~~ · 24-06-2008, 01:58 AM

Asking this question presents quite a few problems.

First you have to establish the absolute standard, of what being a christian is.
The problem being, christians debate other christians on what being a christian truely entails. So then you have two types of christians argueing over the meaning of christianity...do you accept one sides definition over the other? Or perhaps a third parties belief? And if so, why the third party? What about their definition trumps the aformentioned other two?

Becuase of this, you really cant tackle this question, until you resolved the heavily debated matter of what a true christian is.(and simply substitute muslim for christian in my post, and you have the same problem)

Digital Masta · 24-06-2008, 02:10 AM

You're asking the wrong people. What you need to do is ask someone who has studied their faith, really understands it and is experienced in answering questions about their faith.

Juno · 24-06-2008, 02:31 AM

Do I qualify :3?

Either way I think the question could use some refinement, and if you're looking for a debate then it definitely needs some touching up. If you just want an answer then talk to me on msn, because i'm gonna completely forget about this thread in about 20 minutes.

Nivikran · 24-06-2008, 03:19 AM

On-topic:
Azn pretty much summed it up

Jasper20 · 24-06-2008, 05:42 PM

Em... nobody's perfect and nowaday got no more 'pure' thing on earth even animals. Why do we need to be pure if we still commit 'sin'? That's make u pure sinner? Even Father [church father]/ Ustaz [For the muslim one] are not pure on their way. We just trying our best not to commit more 'sin' or repeat the same 'sin' we did and also need to admit our 'sin' is the must basic as a religious follower.

**Syfer Van Hyden** · 24-06-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasper20

Em... nobody's perfect and nowaday got no more 'pure' thing on earth even animals. Why do we need to be pure if we still commit 'sin'? That's make u pure sinner? Even Father [church father]/ Ustaz [For the muslim one] are not pure on their way. We just trying our best not to commit more 'sin' or repeat the same 'sin' we did and also need to admit our 'sin' is the must basic as a religious follower.

I think ur mistaken, they do not call him "Ustaz"- that means teacher/instructor. They call him Emam. Anyways, yes i agree with the rest.

Jasper20 · 25-06-2008, 08:57 PM

Ok, i learned a new word today. Thanks Albert Wesker

**Spidey** · 26-06-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Albert Wesker

Uv got it completely wrong. Sure we were created by the divine God/Allah, but we were never made to perfection. Do u honestly think that we humans r perfect? I highly doubt that. And nowhere in any monotheistic religious book does it say/imply that humans were created to perfection, nor does it even say/imply that if we go against the fact that wer perfect, we would go to hell, that's the whole idea, we r imperfect, period.

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Originally Posted by Yedi

You say that humans aren't perfect? -.- according to the book we were created in an image of a god, which is perfect, aka it would make us "perfect". And if you even break one off the rules you will come down to hell, well at least according to the "rules".

Well according to Christian belief we were created in God's own image. But the fact that we were given free will and we went against God's own command and ate of the apple of good and evil, we were given the knowledge of sin therefore being able to sin.

At first, we were perfect. But when Adam and Eve ate of the apple, they received the ability to sin, feel pain, and to believe in God of of their own will.

We were created to be perfect, but we messed it up.

Jasper20 · 26-06-2008, 08:34 AM

Just wonder 'if' there's no religious kind of thing in this world. What would happened? Earth destruction? Earth superly peace?

Yedi · 26-06-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Asking this question presents quite a few problems.

First you have to establish the absolute standard, of what being a christian is.
The problem being, christians debate other christians on what being a christian truely entails. So then you have two types of christians argueing over the meaning of christianity...do you accept one sides definition over the other? Or perhaps a third parties belief? And if so, why the third party? What about their definition trumps the aformentioned other two?

Becuase of this, you really cant tackle this question, until you resolved the heavily debated matter of what a true christian is.(and simply substitute muslim for christian in my post, and you have the same problem)

Well the thing I wanted to discuss was that todays Christians/muslims doesn't follow the bible "completely" and therefore not "pure". I know some of the stuff in both the bible and Koran could be seen in different lights, but disregard that in this topic. The thing I meant with my first post was that most people in the world hasn't read the bible and still believe in God and doesn't all about Gods act, aka his dictatorship behavior. Did that explain it?

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Originally Posted by Spidey

Well according to Christian belief we were created in God's own image. But the fact that we were given free will and we went against God's own command and ate of the apple of good and evil, we were given the knowledge of sin therefore being able to sin.

At first, we were perfect. But when Adam and Eve ate of the apple, they received the ability to sin, feel pain, and to believe in God of of their own will.

We were created to be perfect, but we messed it up.

No we didn't mess it up. It did happen since God wanted it Eva and Adam to eat the apple, and wanted to punish Eva and Adam. If he is an almighty god he would know what the evil wanted to do in beforehand and therefore stop it. But thats up for another discussion (aka Adam and Eve discussion thread I created).

XandorXerxes · 02-07-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasper20

Just wonder 'if' there's no religious kind of thing in this world. What would happened? Earth destruction? Earth superly peace?

This is kindof off-topic, but I figure I can answer this one fast enough.

Man would go to the next excuse to engage in war-like behavior.

N0sf3ra2 · 19-11-2008, 11:11 AM

i believe that since we aren't perfect, we can't be pure...but we can be very disciplined into following the rules of God/Allah and to worship him only. there are some cases though that people go too far. like the people that hit themselves as some sort of ritual for God. I don't think being pure in religion really matters, as long as we become good followers.

23-06-2008, 09:06 PM	#1
Yedi Jounin Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,577 My Mood: Rep Power: 27	Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? I have been thinking for this a while. Is there really a pure christian/muslim out there, which believe in the bible completly? The only thing my "religious" friends have told me is about how good god is, not about his way to get pleasure from killing people. So what do you think? is there anyone "pure" out there? __________________ The priest of the loli four http://www.m-bros.net/~shinpaku/

23-06-2008, 09:26 PM	#2
ACCUNE ANBU Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: o Posts: 1,222 Rep Power: 9	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? My point of view as a Christian is that we as Christians are only "pure" by the grace of God.As for following the bible perfectly,we try our best to live by the teachings in it.Each one of us have an area in our life that needs improvement and we stumble sometimes,but we repent(true) and press on. __________________ In Moderation

23-06-2008, 09:27 PM	#3
Azn Elite Jounin Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,385 My Mood: Rep Power: 25	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? Well the way I imagine it, the people that believe in the bible and god completely, like no joke, are overzealous on subjects (gay marriage, abortion, etc.). We've seen the news. There are people like that, but you can't be perfect and be a 100% pure christian/muslim. Your always breaking one if your following another. Last edited by Azn; 23-06-2008 at 09:43 PM.

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Syfer Van Hyden This is A State of Trance Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Umbrella Corporation Posts: 5,759 Rep Power: 17	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? There is no such thing as a PURE Muslim/Christian. Sure im a Muslim, pray 5times a day, fast, give to the poor when the opportunity comes, etc. though i do admit that i commit sins, many times i commit serious ones. Like many of u said/know, humans were never built to perfection, we ALL have flaws. I think that this topic has been beaten to death many many times, there r no "pure" christians/muslims, but r there any devoted ones? Yes, but it doesnt mean that theyr "pure" so no. __________________ ^by Cava Brawl code:2363 5282 6277 STEAM ID: *The_Pr0fessional88* Xbox360 tag: ALBERT WESKER PSN: Albert_Wesker88 RE-L FC CO-OWNER! One Piece FC member Monkey D. Luffy FC member Roronoa Zoro FC member Gantz FC member Samurai Champloo FC member Death Note FC member SOUL EATER FC member ------------------------------------------------- /A STATE OF TRANCE\ ------------------------------------------------- -[connection\|--->established]-

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Yedi Jounin Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,577 My Mood: Rep Power: 27	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? You say that humans aren't perfect? -.- according to the book we were created in an image of a god, which is perfect, aka it would make us "perfect". And if you even break one off the rules you will come down to hell, well at least according to the "rules". __________________ The priest of the loli four http://www.m-bros.net/~shinpaku/

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Evil_Ryu Genin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In the dojo Posts: 130 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? I agree with Wesker and ACCUNE. We (at least some of us) try to make the best out of it and follow the rules and principles, but we do commit bad deeds, sure! So, we're not perfect. Im also a Muslim and i DOUBT that i know of any 100% pure Muslim or Christian, every1 does something bad ONCE in a while if that person was REALLY disciplined. __________________ ^WANTED Dead or Alive. Reward:100,000,000,000,000,000belis.

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Azn Elite Jounin Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,385 My Mood: Rep Power: 25	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? Yea it specifically say we're all sinners, so thinking your perfect is already a sin. It's a hard thing to become a devote pure christion

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~~Cane_The9lives~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Your guess is about as good as mine. Posts: 15,023 My Mood: Rep Power: 0 Total Awards: 1	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? Asking this question presents quite a few problems. First you have to establish the absolute standard, of what being a christian is. The problem being, christians debate other christians on what being a christian truely entails. So then you have two types of christians argueing over the meaning of christianity...do you accept one sides definition over the other? Or perhaps a third parties belief? And if so, why the third party? What about their definition trumps the aformentioned other two? Becuase of this, you really cant tackle this question, until you resolved the heavily debated matter of what a true christian is.(and simply substitute muslim for christian in my post, and you have the same problem)

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Digital Masta Akatsuki Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Isahaya, Nagasaki Posts: 8,113 My Mood: Rep Power: 42 Total Awards: 2	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? You're asking the wrong people. What you need to do is ask someone who has studied their faith, really understands it and is experienced in answering questions about their faith. __________________ Barry Allen...The King Has Returned! Nagasaki Life or something like it...

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Juno Tsuchikage Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: too far from home... Posts: 19,737 My Mood: Rep Power: 81 Total Awards: 2	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? Do I qualify :3? Either way I think the question could use some refinement, and if you're looking for a debate then it definitely needs some touching up. If you just want an answer then talk to me on msn, because i'm gonna completely forget about this thread in about 20 minutes. __________________

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Jasper20 Genin Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? Em... nobody's perfect and nowaday got no more 'pure' thing on earth even animals. Why do we need to be pure if we still commit 'sin'? That's make u pure sinner? Even Father [church father]/ Ustaz [For the muslim one] are not pure on their way. We just trying our best not to commit more 'sin' or repeat the same 'sin' we did and also need to admit our 'sin' is the must basic as a religious follower.

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Jasper20 Genin Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? Ok, i learned a new word today. Thanks Albert Wesker

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Jasper20 Genin Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? Just wonder 'if' there's no religious kind of thing in this world. What would happened? Earth destruction? Earth superly peace?

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N0sf3ra2 Academy Student Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: i live in California USA Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Re: Are christians really "christians" and muslims "muslims"? i believe that since we aren't perfect, we can't be pure...but we can be very disciplined into following the rules of God/Allah and to worship him only. there are some cases though that people go too far. like the people that hit themselves as some sort of ritual for God. I don't think being pure in religion really matters, as long as we become good followers. __________________ ...Kill to live another night...