Is Exorcism real?

[CrazerDash]

Is Exorcism real? what do you guys think?

Exorcism

[R3D G4RD14N]

yes exorcism is the method in which demonic aporicians are released from the mortal body. exorcisms occur all over the world and are real weather ud like to belive that or not is your choice.

[Syfer Van Hyden]

It really depends, if u were to ask an atheist surely he/she will say that it isnt real, ultimately because he/she is not a believer of God, the Devil and watnot. Though the opposite result will occur if asking a believer. I happen to be a believer of God and such, iv never been to an Exorcism but i believe that it is real and it happens, though not like we see it in the movies.

[The stig]

No its not.

Thats all i have to say lol.

Exorcism, real? Yes ok.

Many little demons make us kill for the hell of it

[Nivikran]

muslims believe exorcism is real,they also believe that even if you have a pure heart & you are a good muslim you can still get possessed.

I don't care either way,I seen the exorcist when I was 14 & it scared the shit out of me.

[Bonkai Renji]

Well it all depends on what you believe and what you think. Pretty much any religion that is against demons say yes it is real but a non-religious group might believe or not.

Well if you want my personal opinion i say it could be real but i haven't seen it ever happen expect in movies.

[bankaiwalker]

I believe that it's real. I think sometimes it dosen't even have anything to do with God and jesus (which sometimes times that is the case) I think it has more to do with that persons spiritual energy merging with someone elses spiritual energy who is having problems coping with what ever is going on in their life. Trouble in the familly, trying to gain attention or what ever the case. I believe most of the time an exorcism is a humanbeing helping another fellow humanbeing rid himself or herself of their own personal demons.

[EvisuMatt]

Fake exorcism is fake.

Until I see scientific evidence on the matter, and proof there's such thing as a demon; I won't believe that exorcism is real.

[pschy_leprae]

Actually demonic possessions could be simply misinterpreted as personality disorders , interestingly enough those disorders can affect your physiology . One of the examples is a woman who had 6 periods in a month , one for each personality .

Although i would say it would be awesome if exorcism would be real. HAIL Lucifer .

[Rafcio]

What's the harm in exorcisms?
Be responsible and don't accept beliefs that are unsubstantiated and harmful. Even if you're not stupid enough to kill someone in an exorcism, you may pass your belief to someone who is.

[pschy_leprae]

Originally Posted by Rafcio

What's the harm in exorcisms?
Be responsible and don't accept beliefs that are unsubstantiated and harmful. Even if you're not stupid enough to kill someone in an exorcism, you may pass your belief to someone who is.

a doctor can kill patient by misinterpretation of symptoms too , so what's your point ? Due to the unknown nature of such personality disorders it might be possible to be cured though exorcism (mind-body relationship). It might work if you believe in it .

[Syfer Van Hyden]

^Well said. Though the annoying thing is that ppl actually take wat they see in movies and watnot seriously. That exorcisms take place in the form of bloodbaths and lightning thunders...basically crap that Hollywood feeds us, i think that's ridiculous, though exorcisms r real and have happened. ST. LOUIS EXORCISM CASE!

here's an exorcism voice recording in Russia. http://paranormal.about.com/library/...n_exorcism.wma

[Rafcio]

Pschy your post makes no sense.

Originally Posted by pschy_leprae

a doctor can kill patient by misinterpretation of symptoms too , so what's your point ?

1. How would a doctor kill a patient when diagnosing a mental illness? That's practically impossible.

2. How is that even relevant? The person might have a chance at dying from lightning the next day, but that's no excuse for hurting them in an exorcism...

Originally Posted by pschy_leprae

Due to the unknown nature of such personality disorders it might be possible to be cured though exorcism (mind-body relationship). It might work if you believe in it .

Due to unknown nature of such personality disorders it might be possible to be cured by banging your head on the table. It may also kill you.
Give me one medically verifiable case where exorcism helped.



It's self-evident that it's more likely to hurt than to help. If you're unconvinced, ask your doctor. I guarantee you he will not recommend banging your head on the table or exorcisms. He'll ask you to see an Psychologist.
Then again, MD's are known to have a strong anti hurting yourself bias.

[Syfer Van Hyden]

Originally Posted by Rafcio

1. How would a doctor kill a patient when diagnosing a mental illness? That's practically impossible.

A doctor can harm and eventually kill a patient when misinterpreting the patient's illness it is possible. Maybe NOT during the patient's visit but he can have a wrong understanding of the patient's illness and give him/her the wrong instructions/medication, thereby the patient is not properly treated by the doctor's so-called expertise and consequently leading the patient to die.

[Rafcio]

I'm assuming pschy is referring to personality disorders, as he suggested earlier. Therefore it is realistically impossible to kill someone due to misdiagnosis.

I know misdiagnosis causing deaths can occur, I'm simply saying that it's irrelevant to my point, which is that believing/performing exorcisms is bad.

[Insin]

With no empirical or tangible proof that exorcisms work, I'd advise against it.

[pschy_leprae]

Originally Posted by Rafcio

Pschy your post makes no sense.
1. How would a doctor kill a patient when diagnosing a mental illness? That's practically impossible.

doctor takes ax , raises it over patients head and drops it . or prescribes wrong drugs which would affect patients central nervous system and make their condition even worse then before (yeah mental conditions are treated with real chemicals ) , also implantion of false memories happens as a result of crappy therapy. Besides considering that most psychiatrist are nothing more then a witch doctors with university degrees i wouldn't trues em no more then i would to a rabid priest with foam coming out of his mouth.

Hmmm was just checking my book , it seems i made mistake . Such incidents of demonic possessions would likely be related to Dissociative identity disorders and somatofrm disorders .
Psychiatrist like Freud (well he was a crack head but his treatment worked , like glove anesthesia) , Fisher and Greenberg, Trimble and so on , support foundlings that somatoform disorders arise though cognitive sources rather then physiological (psychologically-induced blindness)

Those disorders can be treated though cognitive therapy and arise from emotional / cultural sources . Again various research on hypnosis , somatoform and so on supports mind-body relationship. It is possible for a priest (who are important cultural figures) to treat individual though rituals equally or even more efficiently then psychiatrist when dealing with those disorders . Worst for worst you can argue that they work like placebo pills which doctor might prescribe to you .

Yeah , yeah raf i know your on campaigning to disprove and insult religion. But you'll be an absolute fanatic/idiot if you won't admit that religion can have equally positive effect on people as well as negative.

P.S.
if you think that what i wrote about dissorders is bull crap then go and whine to people who wrote :
"psychology frontiers and applications second canadian edition "

[Rafcio]

Originally Posted by pschy_leprae

doctor takes ax , raises it over patients head and drops it . or prescribes wrong drugs which would affect patients central nervous system and make their condition even worse then before (yeah mental conditions are treated with real chemicals ) , also implantion of false memories happens as a result of crappy therapy. Besides considering that most psychiatrist are nothing more then a witch doctors with university degrees i wouldn't trues em no more then i would to a rabid priest with foam coming out of his mouth.

Doctor axing the patient is not a valid argument. Your other examples fail to show how the doctor could kill the patient. Since the medication isn't deadly, and the sickness is mental, then the doctor can't kill a patient by misdiagnosing him.

Also, comparing most psychologists to witch doctors is baseless, and immensely ironic, considering that you propose a priest as an alternative.

Those disorders can be treated though cognitive therapy and arise from emotional / cultural sources . Again various research on hypnosis , somatoform and so on supports mind-body relationship. It is possible for a priest (who are important cultural figures) to treat individual though rituals equally or even more efficiently then psychiatrist when dealing with those disorders . Worst for worst you can argue that they work like placebo pills which doctor might prescribe to you .

To say a priest could be more efficient than a trained professional is laughable. I would like to see this backed up by medical evidence.

Again, it is theoretically possible to heal yourself by hitting your head on the desk. It doesn't change the fact, that almost always you'll just hurt yourself.

I approve of the placebo comparison, but this only hurts your case. It is immoral to provide placebo as the only source of treatment, and you should always visit a professional who can actually provide real treatment as opposed to choosing woowoo and potentially even murder.

Yeah , yeah raf i know your on campaigning to disprove and insult religion. But you'll be an absolute fanatic/idiot if you won't admit that religion can have equally positive effect on people as well as negative.

P.S.
if you think that what i wrote about dissorders is bull crap then go and whine to people who wrote :
"psychology frontiers and applications second canadian edition "

No, actually, it's the other way around. I'm against superstitions and harmful believes. If a religion accepts exorcisms then it's not my fault that it accepts nonsense. And I never said that religion is incapable of having positive effects on people.

Nice try at attempting to make me look bad, but there's no way you're going to twist exorcisms into being a good thing.
I've got examples of people getting hurt and even dying because of exorcism. You present the alternative of the doctor potentially dropping an axe on the patient.

Unless you bring something worthwhile to the discussion, I think we're done here.

[Bonkai Renji]

The only two things i would like someone to explain to me how exorcism isn't real is how is that when a exorcism is when a exorcism is happening when why would lets say a woman is being pined down she gets super human strength and flings everyone across the room and second when a exorcism is happening then why they start levitating in the air(kinda like criss Angle).

[PC Chris]

Originally Posted by Captain Renj

The only two things i would like someone to explain to me how exorcism isn't real is how is that when a exorcism is when a exorcism is happening when why would lets say a woman is being pined down she gets super human strength and flings everyone across the room and second when a exorcism is happening then why they start levitating in the air(kinda like criss Angle).

Over exaggerations.

It's very likely that priests probably over exaggerate the symptoms as there has never been any documented proof of super human strength or even levitation.

Unless you can provide evidence that this is true, then it's just an over exaggeration, something that tends to get done a lot.