Intelligent design

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Tony

But in the end, the choice you made is never justified--it's an illogical choice because you have no grounds in which to make it. And I point this out again, this analogy isn't very good. Translating it to a real life situation, the number of choices increases exponentially, and so does the illogicality behind taking a random guess.

How is choosing a door that might be the correct door, not a justified choice when you cant know the correct door, and your only options is to choose?

Not choosing means there is zero percent chance that you will succeed.
Choosing a door, means you have a chance to be right.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

How is choosing a door that might be the correct door, not a justified choice when you cant know the correct door, and your only options is to choose?

Not choosing means there is zero percent chance that you will succeed.
Choosing a door, means you have a chance to be right.

Such a simple answer Cane.

"I do not know if there is a car behind any particular door".

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Majin

Such a simple answer Cane.

"I do not know if there is a car behind any particular door".

Actually you can say"I know there is a car behind one of those doors"

[Majin]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Actually you can say"I know there is a car behind one of those doors"

Alright, lets make the analogy proper.

There may or may not be a car behind 3 doors, the man has no evidence to say there is.

Is your statement correct?

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Majin

Alright, lets make the analogy proper.

There may or may not be a car behind 3 doors, the man has no evidence to say there is.

Is your statement correct?

Not after that paticular alteration of the anology.

[Apoo]

So you admit belief in god is illogical?

[Majin]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Not after that paticular alteration of the anology.

So why do you believe in God?

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Tony

So you admit belief in god is illogical?

No.
Because logic has not dispproved the existance of a higher being.

Originally Posted by Majin

So why do you believe in God?

Because im open to the possibility that the plain of being and thought, isnt limited to human logic...and corporeal existance.(as we know it)

[Majin]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Because im open to the possibility that the plain of being and thought, isnt limited to human logic...and corporeal existance.(as we know it)

You haven't answered the question.

Why do you BELIEVE in GOd, why do you state that God is TRUE.

A possibility is not equivalent to something being true, otherwise it wouldn't be possible, but fact.

Originally Posted by Cane

Not after that paticular alteration of the anology.

Why is it wrong, but your belief right? they are exactly the same.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Majin

You haven't answered the question.

Why do you BELIEVE in GOd, why do you state that God is TRUE.

A possibility is not equivalent to something being true, otherwise it wouldn't be possible, but fact.

You fail to realize that "belief", and "know" are two different things.
I dont know god to exist, i believe god to exist.
Where have i stated that god is true?

You are asking me to explain somthing i didnt even say.

Originally Posted by Majin

Why is it wrong, but your belief right? they are exactly the same.

Believing somthing is not a profession that its true, simply your conviction within that belief that its true, when its not absolutley certian.

Saying "I believe" is not saying" What i believe is fact."

let me ask you a question now, do you believe in wormholes?

[Yedi]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

You fail to realize that believe, and know are two different things.
I dont know god to exist, i believe god to exist.
Where have i stated that god is true?

You are asking me to explain somthing i didnt even say.

Believing somthing is not a profession that its true, simply your conviction within that belief that its true, when its not absolutley certian.

Saying "I believe" is not saying" What i believe is fact."

let me ask you a question now, do you believe in wormholes?

This is a bit off topic but I find it worthy of posting:
Actually you responded in a good way Cane. You admit that your belief can not be counted as fact. A friend of mine actually counts his belief as fact, how can I make him realise it can't be counted as fact?

[Majin]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

You fail to realize that "belief", and "know" are two different things.
I dont know god to exist, i believe god to exist.
Where have i stated that god is true?

You are asking me to explain somthing i didnt even say.

Saying "I believe" is not saying" What i believe is fact."

let me ask you a question now, do you believe in wormholes?

Do you think it is rational for people to believe in things if they do not 'know' it is true?

Originally Posted by Cane_the9lives

Believing somthing is not a profession that its true, simply your conviction within that belief that its true, when its not absolutley certian.

Believing that God exists means you personally think God exists.

Do you think this is rational if you do not have evidence?

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Majin

Do you think it is rational for people to believe in things if they do not 'know' it is true?

Quit flipflopping, In one thread you claim the belief in god is invalid....now you are saying its irrational.

Somthing can be irrational, and valid at the same time.
So which is it? Beleif in god being irrational, or invalid.
The latter you cannot claim, because in order to state somthing is invalid(As in its a fact) then you must literally ascertain the validity.

You once argued rationality with me, and said"You should never be irrational" yet there are "Exceptions"..................?
You're arguments all end in a discussion of rationality, that isnt even relevant to the topic at hand.

[Apoo]

Answer his question Cane. Stop hiding under useless rhetoric, and answer it.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Tony

Answer his question Cane. Stop hiding under useless rhetoric, and answer it.

I'm not hiding under anything, i cant tell whether he believes the existance of a higher being is invalid, or irrational to believe in.

Because he has claimed both, and then renigged.

[Apoo]

Do you think it is rational for people to believe in things if they do not 'know' it is true?

Answer it please.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Tony

Do you think it is rational for people to believe in things if they do not 'know' it is true?

Answer it please.

I dont think its irrational, because its unproven and unless they do otherwhise, it only effects the individual. It could become irrational if their belief becomes more than just a simple belief.

[Apoo]

So you don't think it's irrational if I believe in Santa Clause, and the Grinch? Gotcha.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

I dont think its irrational, because its unproven and unless they do otherwhise, it only effects the individual. It could become irrational if their belief becomes more than just a simple belief.

So its not irrational of me to charge any random person for any crime, because it is as of yet unproven.

Ok.