Intelligent design

[Yedi]

Does someone on this forum believe in intelligent design?

[Matthew T. 16]

what is that?

[xxmimicwolfxx]

it means that you believe that a God or something like that created our universe...that it wasn't created by rnaomd chance

YESI BELIEVE IN INTELLIGENT DESIGN!!!

[Yedi]

Originally Posted by xxmimicwolfxx

it means that you believe that a God or something like that created our universe...that it wasn't created by rnaomd chance

YESI BELIEVE IN INTELLIGENT DESIGN!!!

In which reasons do you believe so?

[xxmimicwolfxx]

heres a good one...

take a look at the entire universe look at the microscopic human cell or a atom and look at its complexity...how can you look at that and say it happened by chance?

[kafukai]

I've a question.
The "intelligent design" trying to disprove the evolution or something?

[Bungle]

Originally Posted by xxmimicwolfxx

heres a good one...

take a look at the entire universe look at the microscopic human cell or a atom and look at its complexity...how can you look at that and say it happened by chance?

Well, turn it around and ask how couldn't it?

[Yedi]

Originally Posted by xxmimicwolfxx

heres a good one...

take a look at the entire universe look at the microscopic human cell or a atom and look at its complexity...how can you look at that and say it happened by chance?

How is it intelligent? I can't see the intelligence in it since I have not seen a cell made in another way and in another complexity, how can I not say that it happened by chance?

Originally Posted by kafukai

I've a question.
The "intelligent design" trying to disprove the evolution or something?

Well it disprove evolution in a way, or at least that what I have heard of it.

[PC Chris]

Originally Posted by xxmimicwolfxx

heres a good one...

take a look at the entire universe look at the microscopic human cell or a atom and look at its complexity...how can you look at that and say it happened by chance?

science thats how.

The universe didn't just happen, it was a process of billions of years.

for instance our own solar system its a high accepted theory, that in the beginning stages of our solar system. a large cloud of ice gas along with other particles then gravity acted and within the cloud attracting other particles. These smaller particles began to stick together. eventually get get our sun and the planets because of gravity and from all these small particles colliding into each other.

we can see this in the universe still not because its still going on but because at our location we cannot see whats going in the universe at this second.

For instance the closest star I think is 3 light years away. If it isn't lets just say it is. IF it died out today, you would not know till 3 years later. Get it?

[sadated_peon]

Let me try this...

The size of the universe.

it is immense, truly immense. So big that the scale of it impossible to fathom.

The distance between our star and its closest neighbor is 4.3 light years away.

In our Galaxy there are around 200,000,000,000 stars.
If counting 1 star every second it would take you 6342 years, which is longer than recorded history.

The closest Galaxy to ours is 180,000 light years away.

In our Universe there are believed to be around 125,000,000,000 Galaxies.

In a time line of the Universe if the total existence of the Universe was scaled to a single year, human history would start at 31st December 11:59:47pm

Yet in all this, where you are so completely and totally insignificant, you believe that all of creation, everything here, was designed around you.

This isn't egotism, it delusion.

[Cane_The9lives]

I dont have to believe anything, evolution has pretty much debunked intelligent design.

[Yedi]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

I dont have to believe anything, evolution has pretty much debunked intelligent design.

So you are implying that god didn't create humans? I thought you believed in the biblical god, which said he created the human.

[Apoo]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

I dont have to believe anything, evolution has pretty much debunked intelligent design.

How can you believe in a creator if you don't believe he created anything?

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Tony

How can you believe in a creator if you don't believe he created anything?

Now did i say that? No.

I believe in god, and i believe he created everything...but i dont believe he was there every step of the way leaving his mark..he set in motion the events that would lead to the human race, he knew it would happen so there is no need to continue to "Design" what you have already set in motion.

Many intelligent design advocates im familiar with, intertwin creationism and intelligent design(well by definition, its already integrated) thus implicitly supporting the adam and eve story, while not outright saying"We advocate for the theory of creation, through an intelligent designer"

I am more deist when it comes to human race, and how sprang up...i believe god allowed natural evolution to take its course.

[Apoo]

That is a form of ID cane.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Tony

That is a form of ID cane.

Hardly, if i plant roses in my yard....and they sprout.....how did i design them?
I just planted them, yes i knew what they were going to look like.....but i let nature takes it course.

[Apoo]

You believe God set everything in motion. That means an intelligent being created everything by some means or another. That's ID.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Tony

You believe God set everything in motion. That means an intelligent being created everything by some means or another. That's ID.

No intelligent design delves more in explaining even the phisiology of humans and other organisms as being intelligently designed.(this implies intention of god even to the point of human evolution)

I believed god simply planted the seeds, and let natural selection go from there.
I believe he played no part in evolution or the begining of the first sea fairing creatures...merely he made it possible for them to exist by creating the first domino.
But he didnt personally design them, they exist becuase of him...but only becuase he created, what would eventaully create them.

[Apoo]

Kind of stupid argument to get into...Intelligent design only argues that there was an intelligent designer who created everything. There are many types of ID, and the deism you say you subscribe to is also a type of ID--it meets the intelligent designer criteria. ID is not necessarily incompatible with evolution.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Tony

Kind of stupid argument to get into...Intelligent design only argues that there was an intelligent designer who created everything. There are many types of ID, and the deism you say you subscribe to is also a type of ID--it meets the intelligent designer criteria. ID is not necessarily incompatible with evolution.

Most intelligent design advocaters, are part of the belief that god personally designs everything....instead of subsequent evolution due to the creation of the first single celled organism.

Yes, that first single cell organism...or whatever god did to start the chain of events that leads to life was designed....but i dont think of everything that follows as a design, its simply the subsequent reaction of the original design.

In laymens terms, yes it is intelligent design...but in many aspects its not...and most intelligent design advocaters dont share my diest beliefs, which is why i hardly call my beliefs the same as mainstream intelligent design.(If ID at all)
Thats why i said i dont believe in intelligent design, becuase i hardly think of my beliefs in the same catagory. At a certian point, its no longer design but causality.