Muhammed and Jesus

[Yedi]

Muhammed said he was a prophet of god, and he also believed in Jesus, which also said he was the last prophet (I smell something fishy). So in other words whom was the last prophet? was it Jesus or Muhammed?

[XandorXerxes]

Originally Posted by Yedi

Muhammed said he was a prophet of god, and he also believed in Jesus, which also said he was the last prophet (I smell something fishy). So in other words whom was the last prophet? was it Jesus or Muhammed?

Well, out of context I'd just ask what the problem is. "Last" also means previous.

Can you cite some sources for your claims, so we can see what context you mean it in?

Edit: Oh, I see what you're saying now. I read what you said as Muhammad saying that Jesus was the last prophet, so I was confused by what you meant, my apologies.

[Keerua]

That can't be answered, first of all we can't prove wheter they were profits or not since their claim relies on god, we can't ask god. Then we have the problem of which religion is the "right one" if we take god for granted, jesus said he was the last, muhammed said he was the last, imo both were good at manipulating people. I mean fuck if I could timetravel I could invent a religion 100 times more powerful than these guys as I could cover all the loopholes to the year 2008.

[Dauragon13]

I read the bible before and jesus did not say he is the last prophet

I am muslim so I am speaking from the muslims point of view

mohammed is the last prophet who have been send by ALLAH but we also believe that jesus is still alive and he will come back to earth again to lead the muslims

since Islam{mohammed relagion}is the last relagion and the one that all believers should follow

Now about who is the last prophet you can not say since we muslims will give you proves but the crestians also will give you their proves and the one who can say the last word is your heart

which one you believe say the truth and is the one you will follow

[sadated_peon]

Ok, lets run through what is wrong here.

First according to Christians Jesus wasn't a prophet, he was the messiah, the son of god.

Next, Jesus didn't say that there would be no other prophets until after his second coming fulfilling the prophecies.
Zechariah 13
"1 "On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.

2 "On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more," declares the LORD Almighty. "I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land. 3 And if anyone still prophesies, his father and mother, to whom he was born, will say to him, 'You must die, because you have told lies in the LORD's name.' When he prophesies, his own parents will stab him. "
BibleGateway.com: Search for a Bible passage in over 35 languages and 50 versions.

Next, prophets in Christianity are specific to people who see the future . They are not the highest order of gods chosen.
1 Corinthians 12:28
"28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues."
BibleGateway.com - Passage Lookup: 1 Corinthians 12:28;

apostles like Mathew, Mark, etc are all higher than prophets.

Lastly the thing that Jesus warned against was false prophets
Acts 20
"29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. "
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Muhammad's claim to be the last prophet is in contradiction old testament as that will not come until Jesus returns. His claim to change what is in the bible is in contradiction to the words of the apostles which are higher in status to him, which contradicts the new testament.

Of course if you are a Muslims you discount all of this a being corrupted,

[Syfer Van Hyden]

Originally Posted by Yedi

Muhammed said he was a prophet of god, and he also believed in Jesus, which also said he was the last prophet (I smell something fishy). So in other words whom was the last prophet? was it Jesus or Muhammed?

...Jesus claimed to be the SON of God, not the last prophet, u got it wrong.

[Yoshitsune]

Originally Posted by Albert Wesker

...Jesus claimed to be the SON of God, not the last prophet, u got it wrong.

right
=== and to add
Jesu came before Mohamad since Christian religion was like mostly more known then Muslims but this doesn't mean muslims religion wasn't at his time
Many Prophet were living back there at this time,but not all did the same impact as other did

Muslim religion had a big impact and spread faster when Mohamad went away(died)

and was the last prophet as we know today ,and most of the world fallow Chritian year which is 2008 that tell also that Jesus was before i supposed
since this year start from the day Jesus was born and if you compare the year when Prohet Mohamad was born ,it's after Jesus

Some of you may have other opinion depend on his religion thought for exemple sadated_peon refer to the bibble other my refer to Coran so things may be a bit different

So things can be a bit different from a person to another

[Dauragon13]

Originally Posted by Yoshitsune

right
=== and to add
Jesu came before Mohamad since Christian religion was like mostly more known then Muslims but this doesn't mean muslims religion wasn't at his time
Many Prophet were living back there at this time,but not all did the same impact as other did

Muslim religion had a big impact and spread faster when Mohamad went away(died)

and was the last prophet as we know today ,and most of the world fallow Chritian year which is 2008 that tell also that Jesus was before i supposed
since this year start from the day Jesus was born and if you compare the year when Prohet Mohamad was born ,it's after Jesus

Some of you may have other opinion depend on his religion thought for exemple sadated_peon refer to the bibble other my refer to Coran so things may be a bit different

So things can be a bit different from a person to another

I want to say that jesus{PBUH} has been send before mohammed{PBUH} by 700 years

that according to us muslims

and sadated_peon show you the crestian point of view which ofcourse me as a muslim disagree with it

but as I said and as yoshi say

it is a matter of person believe

which one you think is the right one is the one you will follow

crestian now are 2billion while muslims now are 1,25billion

the 2 numbers are huge and they are the strongest religions in the world now

[narutobadsha]

Just to correct few things:

1- Islam is not just a religion, it is a deen (the arabic word has a rich meaning).

2- We never claim that Islam is something new, rather we believe it is the continuation of what previous Prophet (peace be upon them) brought and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the last and final Prophet. All the people who came before the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) who preached and practised Islam are Muslims. Since the word "Muslim" refers to those who submit to Allah Ta'ala alone!

[Apoo]

Quick question: Are you guys required to say 'peace be upon him' every time you mention his name, or is that just out of respect?

[narutobadsha]

^both. It's just a prayer and sending blessings to honour the status of the Prophets (peace be upon them all), their companions (may Allah be pleased with them) and the righteous scholars (may Allah have mercy on them) who came after them.

I can tell my fellow Muslim friend--May Allah have mercy on you. When two Muslims meet, they greet each other by saying "peace be upon you".

"peace be upon you" isn't the only words that are used to send blessing upon the prophet, they are others too.

I hope this helps

[buckmajor]

Hey Yall

What is the meaning of a Prophet?
What is the meaning of a Son?

My understanding of a Prophet is someone who is usually in operation when errors and correction is needed. So pretty much someone who is able to see into the spiritual realm with clarity and to hear the voice of GOD with such sharp hearing/discerning ears.

On the other hand, born again Christians claim that Jesus Christ(Son) as GOD cause anyone who has seen the Son has seen the Father(GOD) because they are one John 5:19. Christ only does what he sees what the Father do, so GOD's characteristics could only be fully manifested through the life of Christ since JESUS was already from heaven.

A human body will always perish and return to dust e.g me, you, prophets etc but Christ ascended into to the heavens with his whole body. Proving to me that he is ALIVE!!

[dary]

well i have been a member in this site for god knows how many years, and out of all the great topics on these forums i never felt the urge to type something as much as a reply to this topic.

I think after 14xx years from Mohammed, and 2008 years after Jesus, things got really out of contest.
Those prophets were people, just like me and you who had connection, messages from god or even great wisdom. I truly don't see why people are in conflict over this issue. Why do we always need someone to translate what the bible say, or quran "spelling"...why do we need a saint, or a muslem "shikh" spelling again, to tell us that we have this sin and thats how we redeem it
If god intended it this way, he wouldnt have gave us those books or sent those prophets...I had a muslim friend who said dogs are to lick you, you have to wash up and clean your self before being able to pray "something of that sort forgive me ignorance" me being a researcher, i found that a bit weird. Yes dogs might be dirty...etc but It just didnt seem right. Along with many other reasons including "jihad", women rights...etc all the things we hear about on news and such, it pushed me to get a copy of the Quran from a Muslim Mosque here in Canada and i spent weeks and weeks reading it "highly recommended read" It gave me a total different prospective to Islam...over 50% of the book are stories of people before us, very interesting stories that we might consider as legends or myths. The other half talks about having good attributes/behavior in your life, science, astronomy, heaven and hell, after life....etc and whenever it mentioned war or jihad it either had conditions such as defending your country/family or warring "jihad" in science, in travels, in parenting...so the term was used widely referring to many things if done we would be better humans. "acquiring higher knowledge, being a good parent, being good to your family...etc"

I truly believe that my generation "late 20s early 30s" and the Generation after me would make a difference in this world we live in, we are fed up by wars, fights, arguments over who is right and who is not...just to be faced with dead brothers, fathers, sons in the name of a religion and the true reality of THE reason behind the war, money, power...etc

who cares if i am right or you are, only god can judge me.....religion: its the guide lines of the way we should live and let live

lets pay respect to those prophet, after all they did manage to get followers and firm believers in them even after 2000s years of them passing away...I can truly picture them crying their eyes out over the way this world turned out, because i truly believe this is not what they intended!

Live and let live, life is too short to argue who is right and who is not...there shouldnt be a link between me as individual in this life and god

Peace brothers, sorry for the long post...yeh i am nither muslim nor Christian, i simply believe in god and all of these religions

[pschy_leprae]

one thing i dont get about Muhammad , was why at age of sixty he married a 15 year old . I mean as a prophet of all knowing God , you should know that such kind of marriage can be lethal for a female if she gets pregnant when she is not fully developed.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by pschy_leprae

one thing i dont get about Muhammad , was why at age of sixty he married a 15 year old . I mean as a prophet of all knowing God , you should know that such kind of marriage can be lethal for a female if she gets pregnant when she is not fully developed.

Muhammad married a 6 year old and had sex with her at 9, and considering she was his favourite sex partner but never got with child (as we know) i'd say her sexual organs did get damaged.

Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts

[suryoyomobb]

Mohammed is a fake prophet because jesus christ was the last prophet. Jesus sacrificed his life for all sins of the people and told them that he was the last one and everyone that claims that he is a prophet is lying. Muhamed was raised by christians and at a age of 18 he left the monastery where he was raised and made himself a prophet. He told the people that he made contact with the guardian angel Gabriël and that it gave him an order to write the koran. He used his knowledge that he got from the christians where he was raised and used it to write the koran, although more than half of the koran are bible stories and are simply put stolen out of the bible and used for the koran. Simply put Mohamed is a fake, a thief and a fucking traitor. He used the christians knowledge for the creation of his own fake religion.

[zack_strife]

There is no need to completely talk about someones religion like that, it may be a debate section but what you have said particularly at the end was exremely rude and disrespectful to what others choose to believe. In case you are wondering i would classify myself as a christian and if someone wrote something like that about my religion i would be royally p***** off.

[dary]

Originally Posted by suryoyomobb

Mohammed is a fake prophet because jesus christ was the last prophet. Jesus sacrificed his life for all sins of the people and told them that he was the last one and everyone that claims that he is a prophet is lying. Muhamed was raised by christians and at a age of 18 he left the monastery where he was raised and made himself a prophet. He told the people that he made contact with the guardian angel Gabriël and that it gave him an order to write the koran. He used his knowledge that he got from the christians where he was raised and used it to write the koran, although more than half of the koran are bible stories and are simply put stolen out of the bible and used for the koran. Simply put Mohamed is a fake, a thief and a fucking traitor. He used the christians knowledge for the creation of his own fake religion.

any reference or a source for your claims?

with all respect, i truly dont see why you would use such a language in posting your views on this matter. Using that kind of language gives others the impression that your a 10 year old who heard a story from a drunk old racist person and started moving his lips like a stupid parrot

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, like it or not its reality. Sooner or later we will have brothers, sisters, friends, colleagues...etc who are Muslims. After all we are all connected by a max of 6 people. Having said that, would not be better to be respectful and understanding of "those" people and their "fake" prophet?
fake or not, it not my place to judge a person by his or her belief, after all we are all going to die one day and face god who would, imo, judge us beyond what we have believed in this life.

yeh for the record, Mohammed was born and raised in the city of Mekka where they worshiped stones figures while the Jewish were residences of Madina a city few 100s klms away from Mekka. Christians were all the way up north in Jerusalem, Europe and some parts of Africa.

tell me smart mouth, what do you say about people who passed away prior to Muses and Jesus? or people who lived in isolated islands "at the time" and lived a peaceful life in nature and passing to the other world without hearing the word Religion? oh let me guess, they are going to hell ha?

People like you are giving every religion and nation they represent a bad name. Grow up, wake up, and stop judging...its not your place to judge

peace out