Old testament vs New testament

[narutoxv]

I am wanting to hear others views on why there is so much conflict in the churches today and why some feel like we shouldn't have to adhere to the old testament and the new testament

[Apoo]

Well a reason for why you wouldn't adhere to either of those is if you think both are works of bronze-age fiction. =/

I do think you need to expand a little bit on what you actually mean.

[narutoxv]

Ok there is alot of division among the churches of today some teach that we don't have to follow anything by the old testament because Jesus did away with all of the old testament and that we are just new testament christians

[Insin]

I think I understand what you mean but what churches are you speaking of? I know a lot of Christain churches actually see Jesus as tying the new testament and old testament together. For example, the Beattitudes in the New Testament (when Jesus gives his Sermon on the Mound) can actually be found in the old testament. Some see it as Jesus re-stating the law of the Old Testament again. I wouldn't say that Jesus did away with the Old Testament, but sort of reinforced what the Old Testament was saying and preaching.

In terms of historical accuracy however, both books are obviously lacking, but probably the old testament moreso than the new. I'm not really a fan of the bible at all however so it doesn't matter for me.

[AnarchoElk]

I'm paraphrasing a bit here I think but

Jesus: Not a word of the Bible will be made obsolete until the earth and heavens are no more.

and

Jesus: I did not come here to get rid of the law, but to reinforce it.

NT only Christians are just lazy, realize OT is a load of BS rules wise and would prefer to make up stuff about Jesus getting rid of the old laws. It was more of an amendment, not a rewrite.

[Aisu Kekara]

If you want the genuine unedited old testament, get hold of a translation of one of the really old copies of the Torah. It's significantly different from the generic Old testament circulated in the Bible as it won't have been heavily re-edited several dozen times.

To be honest, I'm more inclined to believe in that God then the one the Catholics/Christians put forward. I mean, all this all forgiving/conversion/grovelling stuff tends to come from that. I somehow find the notion of a stroppy God, who enjoys a bit of smiting twice a day somewhat more believeable.

[PC Chris]

Okay so I'm bumping this topic after a year so sue me LOL.

Acording to the NT Christians aren't bound to the laws of the OT particularly in from verses such as:

Galatians 3:24-25:4So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[a] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Which could imply that Christians aren't under the supervision of the mosaic laws. Also easy to point out that from Matthew 5:20 to the end of chapter 5 we see Jesus heavily editing the laws. So does this mean Jesus along with Paul abolished the old laws?

[AnarchoElk]

According to Jesus they are. He says he didn't come to abolish the law, and he says not a word of the law can ever be changed.

[PC Chris]

Well Pauls letters came long before the gospels many of these letters support the abolishment of the old law. So did the authors of the gospel contradict Paul then? Or is this like the Trinity argument which has a huge Grey Area.

Also later on in Matthew chapter 5 after Jesus says the Law will stay he goes on to talk about some of these laws.

BibleGateway.com - Passage*Lookup: Matthew 5:17-48;

Seems to me that he's up holding the law but updating them a bit.

IE less stricter laws like the eye for an eye, but then we see harsher laws for adultery.

I still think the authors of the gospels and the letters by Paul are contradictory.

[EvisuMatt]

I love how when I quote some legalistic crap from the old testament christians use their "Well that's the old testament" cop out. They are quick to quote the old testament if it's something they agree with while blurring out the "bad" parts. I call them cafeteria christians, picking and choosing what they want on their sandwich at the deli.

I honestly think that the very strict hell fire and brimstone god of the old testament would have been very unappealing to people when they had such a wide array of gods to choose from; so they tried to make god seem a little less angry in the New Testament by introducing Jesus and what not.

[Victory21]

Originally Posted by EvisuMatt

I love how when I quote some legalistic crap from the old testament christians use their "Well that's the old testament" cop out. They are quick to quote the old testament if it's something they agree with while blurring out the "bad" parts. I call them cafeteria christians, picking and choosing what they want on their sandwich at the deli.

I honestly think that the very strict hell fire and brimstone god of the old testament would have been very unappealing to people when they had such a wide array of gods to choose from; so they tried to make god seem a little less angry in the New Testament by introducing Jesus and what not.

Does this means you don't believe in God or Jesus? Since your statement sounds like a writer of some novel or a manga. Introduced a new character to balance out a story line.

[EvisuMatt]

Originally Posted by Victory21

Does this means you don't believe in God or Jesus? Since your statement sounds like a writer of some novel or a manga. Introduced a new character to balance out a story line.

I don't believe in any deity and yes they did introduce a new character to balance it out, basically.

[pschy_leprae]

i've started reading new testament few days ago, its more sensible then the old .

[XandorXerxes]

Originally Posted by EvisuMatt

I honestly think that the very strict hell fire and brimstone god of the old testament would have been very unappealing to people when they had such a wide array of gods to choose from; so they tried to make god seem a little less angry in the New Testament by introducing Jesus and what not.

Which "wide array of gods" was this? I'd argue that there were more Gods when Christianity / Judaism began circulating than when the new testament began being circulated.