Parents charged for not helping dying daughter

[Insin]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Thank god insin isnt as fargone.

That's kind of a presumptuous statement. I have nothing to do with any of this. Although I would agree with most of your opponents.

Originally Posted by Cane

You are very naive, very young too so its expected.
To believe a human made concept(construct) is inherently harmful is childish, and again i implore you to grow up.(how old are you 15? from your picture i would say 13 though)

Bashing someone's profile picture in a rebuttal is poor taste.

[Rafcio]

By settled you mean, me not responding to your last post, because of how pathetic it was? Then yes, it was resolved.

[Insin]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

This was settled between me and rafcio months ago.
Besides the majority of those paticular statements were made after both parties started personal jabs.

Perhaps, but I don't see how that changes anything. Even if I am months late, I think this thread is capturing a trend in the debates section that is driving people away. I have spoken with several others who expressed that sentiment to me.

I mean, look at the post Cane. What does Rafcio's profile picture have to do with anything pertaining to the argument? I cannot think of a more blatant ad hominem if I tried. I mean the guy posted a picture of himself online, he did not have to, and it should not be a form of personal attack. Telling him to grow up (a statement which is questionable in a formal debate by itself) is not further validated by someone's physical appearance. I mean, that's as off tract and insulting as you can get.

I don't want you to feel like I am targeting you specifically, but don't you see what kind of effect this is having on the debates section? I think your post should have received a warning, or been deleted. You said earlier once that sometimes debates are about proving a point. I strongly disagree. Debates are for testing the merit of a point or argument, not demonstrating superiority of debating skills, which is what this section is becoming. It's a giant ego trip and chance to flame or insult others.

The debates section has rules, and perhaps they should be more clearly outlined. The fact that arguments keep getting personal is perhaps inevitable, but by no means acceptible. As a moderator, I am sure you would share a similar sentiment, or at least I hope you would.

And the comment about me, which started my reply, even I found somewhat insulting. My name is being mentioned in a post that has a slew of personal attacks. Perhaps you meant it as a compliment, that I am not as far gone. But that totally implies that I am somewhat far gone. I suddenly got grouped into something of which I had no part in. I appreciate the sentiment behind what you were trying to say, but it came out rather awkward.

I just hope someone sees my point, as how brilliantly (sadly) this thread points out problems with this section. It's notsomething that cannot be resolved, and even if it is not relevant anymore it is still an issue of concern.

[Insin]

As you mentioned in an earlier post, there's no sense in restating the entire thread. I did read it all, and you aren't the only one. But using someone's profile picture as a form of attack is really in another league by itself.

But i can point out to you the igniter of my annoyance.

I think at this point, it really does not matter who did what and when. I pointed out what has been bothering me, and I'm sorry but your last post was the best representation of that. And just to say it, but I think the fact that you got annoyed is a problem. If a debate annoys you, why is there a need to respond? When you get annoyed, it's no longer about contributing to discussion.

That right there is what is destroying the debates section more than anything, people coming in having no prior knowledge of the debate and purposefully attacking someone who is taking part in a debate.

I guess you just overlooked that.

Is your opinion of me that I would overlook everything just to assign guilt to you? Why are you so quick to assume that I am trying to be hostile to you?

[Insin]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

No my last post was merely the most recent.
These problems you are talking about have been going on for years in this section, you pointing them out now using me as the main example serves nothing if you are attempting to cover the problems that have been prevelant in this section since the day i joined.

There will always be ups and downs. Should you just say that it's always been that way and use it as an excuse not to do anything?

The darknight thread is an easy example of why i feel this way.

I adore that movie, and the thread which was for discussing that movie was being spammed by an argument that was full of fallacies. There was no need to turn it into a debate, that's not the point of those threads. I was legitimately irritated at you, because you made the same point for 3 pages and no one go a chance to talk about the movie.

[Insin]

My intention was to end the debate by asking you to stop. My constructive criticism may have failed. I tried to use my irrritation positively without attacking you personally, and as far as I recall, I argued against your arguments and not against you personally.

But yours was not. Not in the slightest. You may feel that I am reviving an old spark here, but in my time in the debates section I have never seen (aside from deliberate spamming) something as mean and blatantly offensive as insulting Rafcio's physical appearance. Do you know that if you make fun of someone in the post your picture thread you can get banned? The initial thread states

Originally Posted by Kakashi

I have deleted the previous thread because it got out of control. I had to give 2 people -666 rep and if the Spammage keeps up i'll start getting trigger happy with bans.

If its not a post with regards to someones picture or something similar it is Spam.
Mods and Smods you arent exempt from this either.

I am not going to stand by and watch some of you take the piss out of how someone looks. The facted they posted their pic show they at least have more courage than some of you

But yet, that sort of thing isn't even noticed here in the debates section. Until I revived this old thread, did you even give it a second thought?

[Rafcio]

Cane, the key difference between Insin and you is that unlike you he remained civil.
I might have not been constructive like Insin, but at least I knew when to stop when you took it too far. My profile age bar clearly states that I'm 20 years old, and I find your comments inexcusable and very offensive, which is exactly why I stopped responding.

[nejix321]

Dang it. I don't understand why so many don't believe in using medicine. It doesn't say anywhere in God's word that you should reject medicine as an act of faith. To be honest God gave man the knowledge of medicine for the good mankind. I happily use allergy medicine, and Novocaine when I visit the dentist. God Bless the doctors.

[GaaranGaara]

Now there is an example of people putting in too much fate for god. I can't undertand how anybody could be such a whacko that would refuse to help their own daughter when sivk.

[Lokki]

I though any god won't help people if people won't help themselves.

[Gathan]

So using their logic, god willed their child to die because the kid committed some sin deserving of it.
Guess their god isn't as loving/merciful/forgiving as they thought.