Vandals desecrate Muslim graves in northern France

[Majin]

Originally Posted by AnarchoElk

read: I can play semantics, so while I obviously wallow in the pool of hatred, I will clothe myself in the fabric of selfrighteousness.

Pretty much what your doing.

Is criticizing of Islam the same as racial discrimination against Muslims?

Is criticizing say, Christianity, tantamount to racial discrimination against Christians?

[Kickz]

Originally Posted by Haohmaru

I could keep on quoting all night long. Two words 1. Muslim 2. hater.

Lol, that pretty much sums up Majins posting career her on NM right there.

[Haohmaru]

Originally Posted by Majin

How come its Islam now and not Muslims? or do you conflate criticizing of Islam with racial hatred towards Muslims?

And there's a difference because? Muslims are the people that follow Islam. You of all people should know that.

And since when did I run away? That thread was closed. I for one don't rely on internet sites when it comes to my religion. I go to the source itself.

Anyone I really don't care why you hate Islam (and dislike Muslims. 'People that follow Islam are idiots' where words that came out of your mouth). I don't give a fuck about you.
It's just that I don't like being insulted that's all.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by Haohmaru

And there's a difference because? Muslims are the people that follow Islam. You of all people should know that.

Yes there is a difference.

Not all Muslims follow Islam to the letter, i know many moderate Muslims who, for instance, don't beat their wives and don't kill ex-Muslims.

The same with Christians and virtually every religion.

But thanks for clarifying that you believe 'thinking there are problems in Islam=hating Muslims'.

I guess if i think the American Government has problems i must hate all Americans because American's follow the American Government?

[AnarchoElk]

Originally Posted by Tony

ELK, it's like your posts get worse and worse by the day dude. Tombs are private property. I'm not sure if you are trying to compare this situation to the cartoons or not, but this is a completely different thing. Do you see anyone advocating the theft or destruction of property to demonstrate their freedom of speech? Has anyone actually done that in any of the other threads?

Obviously I'm being extreme to highlight the similar thought process, although through different means.

Also, I might add, destruction of property is not right or wrong, its a tool of expression. Or was the Boston Tea Party a terrible thing, that should never of happened. I'm all for theft or destruction of property if used correctly.

Originally Posted by Majin

I guess if i think the American Government has problems i must hate all Americans because American's follow the American Government?

I get this one a lot, lol.

[Kickz]

Originally Posted by Majin

Pretty much what your doing.

Is criticizing of Islam the same as racial discrimination against Muslims?

Is criticizing say, Christianity, tantamount to racial discrimination against Christians?

Thats actually not right, Muslims take their religon as serious as other people do their race.

[AnarchoElk]

Originally Posted by kickzman

Thats actually not right, Muslims take their religon as serious as other people do their race.

And a lot of people don't take their race seriously, because its a superficial trait you can't control.

[Haohmaru]

Man fuck off with your bullshit. So that stuff you named is normal in our religion? GTFO. And don't put words in my mouth, with your narrow minded ass. Just shows how dumb you really are. As if every Muslim out there knows all the rules there is to Islam. It's something you believe and something for yourself. I know a lot of Muslims and some of them have strayed a little from their religion. They still give a lot about their religion though. When you ask them are you a Muslim, they all proudly say they are even though they did some things that they shouldn't have maybe. That's a WHOLE lot different then politics, but since you're an atheist you might not understand.

[LONGTIME]

Why is this even news? Graves get vandalized for various reasons all the time.

Just because Muslims are the new commies people think that they are news worthy.

[kafukai]

It's should be on General Discussion & News but anyway what can I do.
And I open this thread because it's happend in high frequency in France, and no one stop it. You did from it a Muslim thread, I take this article because they move on and start to attack the Muslim community. Actually, I thought people will despise this aspect of the French nation I geuss I were wrong.

[krozar]

Originally Posted by Pr0fessional_Wesker

I agree with the most part of ur response, yet however, i disagree with the last part. If the Mohamed cartoons had a mocking intent, then it wouldn't have been the least bit wise to publish it. It's simply rude and disrespectful.

I'll admit that I laughed when I first saw the Bombhommand image. The cartoon was clearly comedy that is offensive to some. Believe it or not, this exists in the world and is quiet numerous!

Like many envelope-pushing news cartoonists, they get paid to be assholes. Other comedies such as South Park and Family Guy played on it as well and even showed Muhammad (However, Comedy Central decided at the last moment to censor these. Entirely within their rights as a private company). It is impersonal comedy that they get paid to do. Plus cartoonists like that have made fun of just about everyone.

I already answered your statement. I know very well that the cartoons can and will offend some people. But that's what FREEDOM is all about. There are levels of expression and then there is harassment. Clearly the paper is guilty of the former. This is nothing unusual at all. The U.S. Supreme Court has defined, through previous cases, where speech becomes harassment and "fighting words." The Danish paper does not even come close to crossing those lines.

I see this as a two-way street. I am equally, if not more offended by medieval cultures killing innocent people as an attempt to sabotage freedoms that much of the Western world enjoys. They don't have to read the paper, nor would they even know about some obscure Danish paper had their government's propaganda squad not jumped all over it as an attempt to make themselves look better than the Western world. There is a reason why so many Muslims emigrated to Europe.

[narutobadsha]

@Majin

You talk about Arab killing but it is funny how you do not say anything about the mass murder of innocent Muslims all over the world. my friend, you exposed your hypocrite nature again. How come I do not see your buddy sadat? Why people would not call you Islamic hater when you only discuss something when it is against Islam.

off-topic
our friend Majin loves to quote ahadith but if you ask him how many calcifications there are for ahadith. The answer is "google 'introduction to ahadith' - oh there are four". Someone who does not even know the basic science of hadith, what can we expect from ignorant loser like him! On top of that, he imposes his own ignorant interpretation and says that he is right. I have to admit though, Majin is one funny dude.

[Syfer Van Hyden]

Originally Posted by narutobadsha

@Majin

You talk about Arab killing but it is funny how you do not say anything about the mass murder of innocent Muslims all over the world. my friend, you exposed your hypocrite nature again. How come I do not see your buddy sadat? Why people would not call you Islamic hater when you only discuss something when it is against Islam.

off-topic
our friend Majin loves to quote ahadith but if you ask him how many calcifications there are for ahadith. The answer is "google 'introduction to ahadith' - oh there are four". Someone who does not even know the basic science of hadith, what can we expect from ignorant loser like him! On top of that, he imposes his own ignorant interpretation and says that he is right. I have to admit though, Majin is one funny dude.

More like an ignorant fool who just relies on googling ahadith and blindly posting them without knowing what on earth it's talking about, let's not forget the poor translations of those hadiths. I completely agree with wat u said.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by narutobadsha

@Majin

You talk about Arab killing but it is funny how you do not say anything about the mass murder of innocent Muslims all over the world. my friend, you exposed your hypocrite nature again. How come I do not see your buddy sadat? Why people would not call you Islamic hater when you only discuss something when it is against Islam.

Why would i talk about arab deaths all over the world in a thread about an incident about a graveyard?

But if you must know, let us say, Iraq, i oppose the war in Iraq and think America did a bad thing, it destroyed the order and made lives harder for the Muslims there.

I also oppose Muslims killing Muslims, such as the conflict between Sunni/Shia.

[krozar]

Originally Posted by Pr0fessional_Wesker

More like an ignorant fool who just relies on googling ahadith and blindly posting them without knowing what on earth it's talking about, let's not forget the poor translations of those hadiths. I completely agree with wat u said.

Don't blame the translation. If you disagree with the translations then translate it to match the nuances that your Mullah or whoever would approve of. Many Muslims rely on the translations and the translations are very much an ambassador of the Islamic religion to the non-Arab speaking world.

Just an FYI: Bring your own arguments to the threads in the Debate section. Don't just reply off someone else's point and act like you know what the hell you are talking about.

[Syfer Van Hyden]

EDIT:

Originally Posted by :3

Don't blame the translation. If you disagree with the translations then translate it to match the nuances that your Mullah or whoever would approve of. Many Muslims rely on the translations and the translations are very much an ambassador of the Islamic religion to the non-Arab speaking world.

Just an FYI: Bring your own arguments to the threads in the Debate section. Don't just reply off someone else's point and act like you know what the hell you are talking about.

In fact, the translations r considered to be quite a bit off the exact wordings of the original hadiths and ayas in the Quran and it is a known fact since many of the words in those hadiths and ayas r not Traditional Arabic. There r many examples but i cannot even translate them and doing so will just more to the confusion.

I actually do know "what the hell" im "talking about" considering that i am a Muslim and iv met ppl like Majin and others who have a problem against Islam and everything associated with it.

Originally Posted by Majin

Why would i talk about arab deaths all over the world in a thread about an incident about a graveyard?

But if you must know, let us say, Iraq, i oppose the war in Iraq and think America did a bad thing, it destroyed the order and made lives harder for the Muslims there.

I also oppose Muslims killing Muslims, such as the conflict between Sunni/Shia.

Really now? I never thought you'd care or rather give a rip about Muslims and watnot. After all, u do despise Islam and its followers for some apparent reason. Why even care about Iraqis and their lives as Muslims there and how hard it has become for them (as Muslims essentially)? Im very curious, please answer me this question.