Vandals desecrate Muslim graves in northern France

[narutobadsha]

@bro Pr0fessional_Wesker
leave Majin alone man, let him be. It is not like he is proving anything.

@Insin
Make sure that you make note of following; this might give you a hint about Majin's little games

Originally Posted by majin

Narrated 'Aisha:

The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).
-http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/004.sbt.html#001.004.148

Evidence sucks huh?

It is funny how you don't mention the difference of opinions among scholars regarding the hijab. Let me jog your memory and for the benefits of those who do not know: Some scholars say that by hijab it is not obligatory to cover your face and hands whereas others say it is obligatory. So both of the parties add their views in the brackets e.g. (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) to explain the ruling of observing hijab. I hope this helps.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by narutobadsha

Make sure that you make note of following; this might give you a hint about Majin's little games
It is funny how you don't mention the difference of opinions among scholars regarding the hijab. Let me jog your memory and for the benefits of those who do not know: Some scholars say that by hijab it is not obligatory to cover your face and hands whereas others say it is obligatory. So both of the parties add their views in the brackets e.g. (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) to explain the ruling of observing hijab. I hope this helps.

I don't mention it because that was not what i was addressing.

Originally Posted by professional_Wesker

ure, in Islam a female is required to wear the veil at a certain age, but it never said anything about covering their face and fingers and watnot (again, this is in most parts of S.A). Islam has certainly shaped their culture and traditions, although they did overdo it for some parts.
Narrated 'Aisha:

There is the claim that Islam say's nothing about the full-veil (covering everything but the eyes), but in fact there are hadith that do specify that (and the hadith in turn says the QUran verse means that).

[narutobadsha]

Originally Posted by Majin

I don't mention it because that was not what i was addressing.

Did I say you forgot to address how to sell apples? How does your point that veil is must in Islam and my point that there is difference of opinions regarding this issue are two different things?

You are here addressing the issue of the hijab and what does Islam say about veil and I told you that you are being dishonest by not mentioning the whole story and that is: there is difference of opinions among scholars. Those who support veil, they add explanatory phrases in brackets to the verses of the Qur'an or ahadith according to their view and other do according to their view. Thus, the translation of the hadith you quoted is according to the view which supports veil.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by narutobadsha

Did I say you forgot to address how to sell apples? How does your point that veil is must in Islam and my point that there is difference of opinions regarding this issue are two different things?

Where did i say it is a must? i am addressing Wesker's claim that it is not in Islam, but it is definitely in the hadith (and by extension the Quran).

So yes, it is in Islam, that controversy exists by Islamic scholars also really does mean the issue exists in Islam.

Originally Posted by narutobadsha

You are here addressing the issue of the hijab and what does Islam say about veil and I told you that you are being dishonest by not mentioning the whole story and that is: there is difference of opinions among scholars. Those who support veil, they add explanatory phrases in brackets to the verses of the Qur'an or ahadith according to their view and other do according to their view. Thus, the translation of the hadith you quoted is according to the view which supports veil.

No, the different opinions among scholars has no real Islamic basis, but rather reflects an attempt to bring modern societal values into Islam, irrespective of what Islam say's.

The Hadith flat out say's the full-veil is a ruling handed down by Muhammad from God, the hadith states the Quranic Surah Al-Hijab is about that, so the QURAN itself states a full-veil.

It is flat out impossible to argue that the full-veil is NOT in islam, which is what Wesker claims, so he is wrong.

Whether you try to make silly arguments of whether it is 'relevant' nor or back then, does not change the fact that the full-veil issue exists in Islam, it is in its core texts.

[narutobadsha]

^thank you for providing me another opportunity to expose you. I will write a complete response later.

[kouga_wolf_demon07]

Originally Posted by Dendra

Innocent Jews? What are the muslims? Dog shit? So Israel can kill all they want yet Palestine can't fight back. Yes, HAMAS is fighting for those reasons. I know a lot about this topic, I follow up on it pretty much everyday. History gave me a boost when I heard what happend with the land. Israel set up blockades so nothing gets into Palestine, no money, donations, medical supplies etc. So your wrong, all that money sent is stolen. Your the one who needs to dig deeper.

Your the one who needs to back up your words, cite sources. Look at the difference between my reply and yours, all you do is babble. So you think Hamas is justified in killing Jews? MOST of their targets are civilians, but Im sure that doesnt bother you at all.

Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by wiki

Since the group considers all Israel to be a "militarized society" Hamas condones attacks on civilian targets. The group's willingness to target civilian facilities including buses, supermarkets, and restaurants is the reason why some governments classify it as a terrorist movement (although Hamas claims to be a national liberation movement).
Hamas officials have stated several times that they are willing to stop attacks on Israeli civilian targets if Israel stops attacking Palestinian civilian targets in return.[97] In May 2003, Abdel Aziz Rantisi has said,

"The Hamas movement is prepared to stop terror against Israeli civilians if Israel stops killing Palestinian civilians ... We have told (Palestinian Authority Prime Minister) Abu Mazen in our meetings that there is an opportunity to stop targeting Israeli civilians if the Israelis stop assassinations and raids and stop brutalizing Palestinian civilians."[98]

Hamas has been responsible for launching suicide attacks against Israeli civilians, the group sees the attacks as the main element of its asymmetric warfare against Israel. Hamas' first use of suicide bombing occurred on April 16, 1993 when a suicide bomber driving an explosive-laden van detonated between two buses parked at a restaurant. It was Hamas' 19th known attack since 1989 (the others being shootings, kidnappings and knife attacks).[99]

[Syfer Van Hyden]

^I wouldn't heavily rely on Wikipedia kouga_wolf_demon07, especially not for political use as anyone can simply edit the info on it.

[Keerua]

Originally Posted by penguinsoldier

you're saying 'muslims aren't the only ones doing bad stuff, bad stuff happens to muslims too' well ok what's your point bad stuff happens to everyone, my point was that pretty much all terrorists are muslims.

by the way, if you think that muslims are the innocent victims in the hindu vs muslim conflict then you'd be dead wrong

and if you're not taking the quran and the jihad seriously, then maybe you're not really serious about it after all, maybe it's time to reexamine your beliefs because islam is definitely not a religion of peace

List of terrorist incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Check the flags, ignoance is a bless ey?

@Kouga, words have a way of deceiving people, the reason why their targets are civilian is because the palestinian people have no organized military, they have absolutely no chance of winning a traditional war. But this also means that any attack by the Israeli on palestinians are attacks on civilians right (since they are not military).