Will Europe eventually have to embrace sharia law?

[Apoo]

Democracy is the rule of the people, and if the majority of the people are muslim, then they get to make the laws.If population trends are correct, then certain parts of Europe will have no choice but to democratically embrace sharia law in the future. This means that a society were non-muslims, homosexuals, and preety much anyone else will be prejudiced against. My question here is, do you think it will come to this point? If so, how soon?

[The stig]

No, just no.

Europe won't embrace sheria law

We aren't a bunch of pussy push overs.

Oh and this line,

and if the majority of the people are muslim, then they get to make the laws

is utter bullshit.

[nma]

Originally Posted by The stig

Oh and this line,
is utter bullshit.

No, that is democracy. For right or wrong, the majority rule. And all societies change over time, you can't compare todays 'values' with those of the last century's.

Imo, I think that the you'll probably see a gradual shift to more conservative policies rather than waking up the next day in a burka.

ALL HAIL EURABIA!!

[krozar]

Seen a big shift in Scandinavia and France, but I don't see many there pushing for Shariah law. Remember, immigrants do not represent the people of the country they came from. there is a reason they are immigrants. They may be far more conservative, but many left Iran for example because of the Islamic revolution there.

[Digital Masta]

Originally Posted by Lucky Rou

Democracy is the rule of the people, and if the majority of the people are muslim, then they get to make the laws.If population trends are correct, then certain parts of Europe will have no choice but to democratically embrace sharia law in the future. This means that a society were non-muslims, homosexuals, and preety much anyone else will be prejudiced against. My question here is, do you think it will come to this point? If so, how soon?

How many European countries actually have a true democracy?

[PC Chris]

The governments in Europe are already trying to "appease" the conservative Muslims. Editing the 3 little pigs because it's "to offensive", in London a Muslim man with 4 wives gets more state benefits.

many European countries have a pretty basic social democracy, so it could happen. But then again I don't see it happening in the way Tony's describing, I see it as the European countries doing this out of fear. Many of those Muslim groups in Europe get funded through Saudi Arabia. (>_<)

[Apoo]

In the netherlands I think you already get jailed for publicly badmouthing islam.

[The stig]

No, that is democracy

What i meant was that like it or not, people are racist.

No non-muslim country will ever let muslim beliefes and law run the the non-muslim country.

Also, muslims that immigrate here tend to stick to the same place, which so happens to be the slums, they're far from "taking over".

The UK will not do it, try russia, see far they get

It won't happen, ever. There are to many people that WILL go against it and an anarchy type of situation will arise.

Now, i'm not racist, honest i'm not, i may be at time swhen i'm angry, but yeh, but i for one WILL NOT EVER be in favour for it, no black, chinese or white person will, no woman will and no gay will, unfortunately for the muslims, there are still more non-muslims in europe.

It won't happen and if it ever does come close to happening or almost happens, riots, riots, riots, hate crime, hate crimes, hate crimes, racist attacks, racist attacks, racist attacks.

Yes, europeons won't allow it, i myself don't have a problem with asians at all, but if they ever tried to change my damn home land, well, i'd prefer not to think about it.

But in short, people will stop it in some way, even if it involves becoming a neanderthol man.

[Gambler]

Originally Posted by The stig

The UK will not do it, try russia, see far they get

Sure about that?

The most senior judge in England yesterday gave his blessing to the use of sharia law to resolve disputes among Muslims.

Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips said that Islamic legal principles could be employed to deal with family and marital arguments and to regulate finance.
He declared: 'Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that
the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law.'

In his speech at an East London mosque, Lord Phillips signalled approval of sharia principles as long as punishments - and divorce rulings - complied with the law of the land.

But his remarks, which back the informal sharia courts operated by numerous mosques, provoked a barrage of criticism.

Lawyers warned that family and marital disputes settled by sharia could disadvantage women or the vulnerable.

Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge | Mail Online Dated 7/4/08

and...

Two schoolboys were given detention after refusing to kneel down and 'pray to Allah' during a religious education lesson.

Parents were outraged that the two boys from year seven (11 to 12-year-olds) were punished for not wanting to take part in the practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.

They said forcing their children to take part in the exercise at Alsager High School, near Stoke-on-Trent - which included wearing Muslim headgear - was a breach of their human rights.

Schoolboys punished with detention for refusing to kneel down and pray to Allah | Mail Online Also dated 7/4/08...

Britain has always been the politically correct capital of the world, so if anyone caves first, I wouldn't be surprised if it was them. Sharia Law wouldn't really be much of a stretch for them also, being as they already have seperate Jewish courts.

Americans are going through a somewhat similar process with Mexican immigrants. More and more southern states (like Texas) are having to conform to Mexican culture (like in certain parts requiring employees to speak Spanish). It's just an unfortunate side effect of living in a decent country amidst an ever growing global society.

[pschy_leprae]

that is why fascism is far better form of the government : whiny, disobeying minorities get burned on the stake (literary )

[OD Funk]

It wont happen in Britain, Ever, the current population already hold FAR too much hatred and anger towards the muslim population, it's a sad fact but it's true, we as British DON'T like other cultures having a hard hand in our own, if it came down to it I do believe the Muslim population of England would either be outright terrorised by most whites/blacks in this country OR they would be completely kicked out.

we as a country hardly wanted to give our OWN people reasonable rights, you think we're going to allow another race/creed of people overshadow our own? hell no.

I'll put it this way, asking the British public ( fuck the rest of europe i just dont care bout them) is like asking a patriotic american to shit on the American flag right before telling him to piss on the constitution.

I for one would be outraged and more than likely be apart of any rioting.

[Nivikran]

I sure hope the fuck not. We already have enough countries that follow sharia law.

Btw,Islamic democracy is an oxymoron..

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by OD Funk

It wont happen in Britain, Ever, the current population already hold FAR too much hatred and anger towards the muslim population, it's a sad fact but it's true, we as British DON'T like other cultures having a hard hand in our own, if it came down to it I do believe the Muslim population of England would either be outright terrorised by most whites/blacks in this country OR they would be completely kicked out.

we as a country hardly wanted to give our OWN people reasonable rights, you think we're going to allow another race/creed of people overshadow our own? hell no.

I'll put it this way, asking the British public ( fuck the rest of europe i just dont care bout them) is like asking a patriotic american to shit on the American flag right before telling him to piss on the constitution.

I for one would be outraged and more than likely be apart of any rioting.

I can vouch for the UK on this one aswell, will never happen....the english are just as proud and patriotic as any other people, and so is everything else that makes up the united kingdon.

[The stig]

Thank everything i can that i'm not the only one who thinks it won't happen in the UK and ireland.

I mean, lets see how far a muslim gets when they walk into an irish pub and try to take away the booze

Exactly OD and cane.

I stand by the whole ask any non-muslim brit and he/she will be like "Hahaha, you've got to be f****** kidding me".

It won't happen, ever.

Britain didn't like it when scottish people were put in charge, oneof which is still in power, so i doubt they'll allow a muslim of all people(no offence, but that's just what it would be like).

And erm, you're forgetting one very important thing, ThHE ROYAL FAMILY!

They'r still powerful enough to say "f*** off" to any new prime ministor AND it isn't a law until the queen signs for it to be one

[Majin]

I believe that the problem is simply the first wave immigrants, eventually their practices will die out by the 2nd+ generation of children of immigrants.

From what i can tell of the situation, the general populace is annoyed/pissed at the Muslims for the various benefits they get, and the politicians bend over backwards for the Muslims.

So you have a situation where the politicians are not in tune with the populaces mood, thats part of the problem, i believe the whole anger towards Muslims could be solved if politicians said no to pandering to outdated rituals/practices of Islam (aka Sharia).

My prediction is that politicians continually bend over backwards for Islam which shits people up so much that, rather then appeasing the Muslim population, it also makes them feel like shit because everyones angry at them, so both sides get angry until some brave fella says 'hold on im not supporting this bullshit' which sparks alot of supporters then you get a big issue in politics then about Muslims and Islam.

I think its inevitable Muslims/Islam has to change like Christianity or face going down in terms of adherents, their reputation is shit, and no one wants to be part of the 'barbarians' as many consider them.

And i don't think Islamic culture will prevail in western countries, at best, you create a huge schism which creates civil violence.

[The stig]

the general populace is annoyed/pissed at the Muslims for the various benefits they get, and the politicians bend over backwards for the Muslims.

You know that's actually a falacy, right?

Lol, they don't get anymore benefits than we do, the public just think they do.

Oh and the goverment doesn't bend over backwards for them, if anything, they treat them slightly worse.

You can't actually become a full british citizen unless you pass everything the government throws at you and the adults that move here MUST get a job within the first 6-12months i think.

I seen it all on this real lives show that was about immigrants. I think it was on channel 4 or 5.

6Another reason why they won't take over.

[Keerua]

This is assuming the majority of muslims will be muslims or want sharia law, after a few generations we tend to blend out, I am point in case. Muslims are not seperated from the general populations in ghettos or w/e waiting for their baby factories to pop out more babes than the office ladies of the white man.....

Two schoolboys were given detention after refusing to kneel down and 'pray to Allah' during a religious education lesson.

Parents were outraged that the two boys from year seven (11 to 12-year-olds) were punished for not wanting to take part in the practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.

They said forcing their children to take part in the exercise at Alsager High School, near Stoke-on-Trent - which included wearing Muslim headgear - was a breach of their human rights.

Terrorists!!!

Lol we have classes like that in elementary school in Norway too, we used to make jewish dishes and shit and act we were jewish so we could better learn the stuff, when we were kids, @ no time was I being converted, students that young have no say in what they are thaught, that is just silly.

[AnarchoElk]

Originally Posted by pschy_leprae

that is why fascism is far better form of the government : whiny, disobeying minorities get burned on the stake (literary )

define minority. This is talking about a majority of Muslims forcing a change.


This is why both fascism and democracy are fatally flawed systems which promote tyranny.

This is why the anarchist model of maximizing freedoms, only placing restrictions on actions when the freedoms they remove by allowing them outweigh the freedoms given by allowing them.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by The stig

You know that's actually a falacy, right?

Lol, they don't get anymore benefits than we do, the public just think they do.

Oh and the goverment doesn't bend over backwards for them, if anything, they treat them slightly worse.

politicians generally merely spout 'islam is a religion of peace' or 'it is misunderstood' or 'we should promote understanding'.

This is merely the cowards way out of not saying 'ok your community has some issues'.

Originally Posted by The stig

You can't actually become a full british citizen unless you pass everything the government throws at you and the adults that move here MUST get a job within the first 6-12months i think.

I seen it all on this real lives show that was about immigrants. I think it was on channel 4 or 5.

6Another reason why they won't take over.

This isn't singling muslims out as it affects all immigrants.

[The stig]

politicians generally merely spout 'islam is a religion of peace' or 'it is misunderstood' or 'we should promote understanding'.

This is merely the cowards way out of not saying 'ok your community has some issues'.

I've never heard any leaders of the UK say that, ever!

This isn't singling muslims out as it affects all immigrants.

Yes i know, which just goes to show that no immigrants will take over lol